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Offline Lazerr

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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 10:15:34 AM »
Thats what I did... Ive got SP3 installed. 

I might be onto something heat related..
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2009, 11:29:09 AM »
When using driver cleaner, do I just clean Nvidia Display choice, and leave "Nvidia Chipset" and "NVIDIA Physx" alone?
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Offline gyrene81

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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 11:34:55 AM »
Quote from: Lazerr on August 18, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
When using driver cleaner, do I just clean Nvidia Display choice, and leave "Nvidia Chipset" and "NVIDIA Physx" alone?
No dump them all.

Question, that last crash you had and posted for Skuzzy...did that happen before you started changing drivers?
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 11:41:26 AM »
Ya, Happened in game. 
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 11:56:49 AM »
Quote from: Lazerr on August 18, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Ya, Happened in game. 
Ok...time to update the drivers because that last crash was definitely a conflict of some sort.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 12:03:32 PM »
I see I only had Microsoft Framework 1.0 installed, I couldnt even run driver cleaner till I got 2.0.

jeeesh talk about being bad at updates. :D
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2009, 12:09:18 PM »
Yeah...  :aok ...I think most people are that way.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2009, 12:09:26 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
If that happens, you have an internal issue or a missing prerequisite for SP3. Are you using Microsoft update or Windows update? What anti-virus are you using?



I recommend using Microsoft update by going to update.microsoft.com and choose custom...it will scan your system (hardware and all) then show you a list of recommended and optional updates...assuming you haven't tried that already.
I tried manual install, Microsoft Update, and Windows Update. All I can say is that HP stinks when it comes to making sturdy systems.

No, I'm not interested in installing SP3.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2009, 01:29:24 PM »
Try DriverSweeper, not DriverCleaner.

Do NOT uninstall the CHIPSET drivers.

Video and PhysX only.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM »
Lute...never mind...I was gonna go through this step by step explanation but I'm not gonna waste the time...just suffice to say, uninstall everything to do with the piece of hardware you're doing the update on.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2009, 03:39:50 PM »
thanks for your time guys.. I learn a lot through this game. :D
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2009, 03:45:12 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
Lute...never mind...I was gonna go through this step by step explanation but I'm not gonna waste the time...just suffice to say, uninstall everything to do with the piece of hardware you're doing the update on.

If you are wanting to "uninstall everything to do w/ the piece of hardware you're doing the update on", and the hardware is the Video Card, the chipset has nothing to do with it and needs to be left ALONE.  Two totally seperate pieces of hardware.

Uninstall the chipset drivers if you are upgrading your motherboard.

He just happens to have a mobo w/ an nvidia chipset on it.

What you suggested would be like uninstalling the Via drivers on for your mobo to upgrade a driver for a video card.  It's just plain wrong.

One of the reasons I say use DriverSweeper over DriverCleaner (besides the fact it's free) is that DriverSweeper will knows the diff. between a Chipset and a Video driver.
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2009, 04:08:58 PM »
Well then Lute, you and I are talking totally different things...for one thing if that dxdiag Fugitive posted is Lazerr's system, that is not a video chip on the mobo...secondly removing the chipset driver for a video card or any other peripheral card is not the same as trying to remove the chipset driver for a mobo chipset...and believe it or not if there is a driver for a mobo chipset that had to be installed in the first place, then it can be uninstalled without a problem and then upgraded just like any other hardware driver...Intel does it all the time with their mobos.

This is where the base drivers, et al should be removed unless the uinstall of the front end management program removes the drivers as well (some do, some don't) but it's best to check here to make sure:





I agree that drive rsweeper has a more intuitive system than driver cleaner...I guess I'm too used to the back end processes of driver cleaner (pro version)...
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2009, 05:57:27 PM »
If you have an NForce chipset on your mobo, when you go to uninstall the Video Driver in Add/Remove you are given the options to remove...

Chipset
Video
PhysX

Lazer would want to pick the Video and PhysX and NOT the Chipset as he would be uninstalling the Chipset driver for his motherboard, and that is NOT what he wants to do to upgrade the driver for his FX series card.

He only needs to remove the Video and PhysX and should leave the Chipset alone.

Where you seem to be confused is the NForce chipset his mobo apparently uses.

When you use DriverCleaner it cleans ALL The Nvidia stuff, including the mobo chipset drivers, whereas DriverSweeper will not.
(At least that is a problem DC used to have and I have not really used the program since it went to $ for it)
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Re: Lazerr's trials and tribulations
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2009, 08:00:59 PM »
Sorry Lute, but HP doesn't use the Nforce mobos in their celeron based systems...it was the AMD based mobos...and there is no sign of Nforce chipset in that dxdiag.

Here is a screen cap of a system with an Nforce chipset based mobo (XFX nForce 680i LT SLI Motherboard) and an Nvidia 9500GT graphics card...using the driver unistall option in device manager:






If you would like me to go further and post blow by blow pics on the video driver uninstall I can...not gonna affect my Nforce chipset drivers since they are separate driver instances:




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