It ain't the graphics that are bad, its the way the game is made

[CAV]

Most of the old school vets are gone.

More are around than you may think....... Most just don't take the time read the same old B.S. on the bulletin boards.

As far as gameplay, AH has many of the things we all hoped for back in the first days of AW......

A war to win... More than one map.... tons of planes to fly.... A boat load of Tanks to fight.... Ships that MOVE!

Aceshigh has somethings that still can be done.... But HTC has taken "The Flight Sim" a long mays from that first time I logged on the Airwarrior in 1994. And i haven't gone a day from that frist time that I have not been a member of one of the big three... AW, WB or AH.

(more years and $$$$ than I like to think about sometimes.....and I still suck at this stuff.)

Cavalry

[Clutz]

Strange thing I have been hearing from the customer base that people are leaving in droves for the last 10 years. I.E. Like I said before, people are saying the exact same thing as you for more than 20 years.

Do you have any idea how you try to use the term "Flight Sim" but then ignore the real facts of how a battle in the real world of WWII would be? You want a 1v1, that did not happen very often in the real world, so once again your supposition disproves what you are trying to prove.

It is simple, you are not happening playing the game, then leave. Sorry I am not going to completely change the game format just so YOU alone could be happy.

HiTech

Yeah, I know all of that. If people have been telling you this for the last 20 years, and they are your customers, maybe you should listen to them. Some companies actually hire out to do market research. Just a thought, mind you.

Why are you angry at me? I love the airplanes and you are the one that made them. I got no real idea about any of this or what goes on at HighTech. All I know is I love the airplanes and most of my friends are all gone now. This is all I really know. I don't even make new friends now, because it becomes painful for me when they leave.

As far as "real battle" goes, I believe this is your weakness in thought. This is a "game" you have here, not a real war. Chess is a game, not a real war. I have been playing chess for decades. It does not frustrate me, it intrigues me still to this day. Just a thought, mind you.

I did not ask you to change the game for me "alone". I only have ever said graphic updates are not the most outstanding fundamental issues that rests on your shoulders, but that the very construction of the "game" itself is. Its always been this way for you, I guess. I imagine, pretty much. I could be wrong. I remember when you did away with fighter town. Horrifying. I remember your interaction with game players back then, and the things you said. That had nothing to do with graphics. It had everything to do with game play. Take that thought or leave it. Its your game. I am tired.

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[Anaxogoras]

What you ask for would make AH a ghost town.

Ever single thing you stated in you  post already is in the game, there is a reward for living, it is better to RTB...

Not always.  If you want to pork and repork as quickly as possible, it is better to die.  Time without ordinance is time wasted.  That's why you see so many heavies bomb and bail.

[hitech]

I am not agree at you , but you deserve to be shown that you are completely clueeless of facts.

simple thing like this.

Yeah, I know all of that. If people have been telling you this for the last 20 years, and they are your customers, maybe you should listen to them. Some companies actually hire out to do market research. Just a thought, mind you.

Is so bloody arogent, you do not even think of asking have we ever done this. You are clueless of our cash flows. The cost of doing that type of hieing. And you again ignore the fact that we are #1 in our market. Do you really think you create stuff like this with out having a supurb understanding of your customers and market? You believe you know so much of how to create the perfect game, get off your bloody bellybutton and create something in your life instead of throwing darts at someone who really does create new things every day.

You show your self over and over to be a complete fool. Evey player who has been on this bbs and been with us for a year or more KNOWS we listen to customers. But it is always people with super egos like yours who wish to claim that we do not listen because we do not agree with you or them. When customers make suggestions that are good ones, they get implemented.

Listen to yourself, you are talking to the CEO of a computer gaming company who started 1 company and made a big success of it, and then did it again a 2nd time. You are throwing stupid comments out like above with no facts and make assumptions just to throw more darts.

As to why I am jumping on your comments, it was not I who started the dart throwing, claiming HTC is doing a crapy job, and it is all our fault that YOU are not happy with my game and then telling me that I should change things just to make YOU and only YOU be happy. What market annalists have you ever done to back up your claim. How many customers have you listened to over the last 20 years.

How many support phone calls have you taken on weekends to help YOUR customers. How many times have you  worked week ends to fix software problems just to make YOUR customers happy. How many times have you maxed your credit cards just to pay your employees salaries.

How many times have you sleped on a cot in 90 deg temps baby sitting computers do to a town with out power. When you start to have even a little knowledge about the interactions and forces in a game maby we could begin to speak on the same plane, but you are so obviously uninformed about game design and business discussions that we can not even begin to speak the same language.

Clutz you really do not comprehend that this is my life , my passion and my livelihood. Are you so clueless as to not understand that any thing I can think of doing to make the most people happy and playing I do? Why would I not do so. It puts money in my pocket. It makes me look good. It makes many people happy with me. But the facts are there will always be people with your personality who are not happy with themselves for what ever reason, and always wish to blame that lack happiness on some one else, rather than looking in the mirror, getting off there duff and doing something to make themselves happy.

No matter how I change the game, you would still be the same unhappy dart thowing guy you are now. It is only you who can change yourself, me changing the game will never make you happy.

HiTech

[hitech]

P.S.

   Patch 8 fixed ALL of my problems, even with everything maxed out. including AA I still get framerates in the 50's. The new 8092 highres shadows are  awsome and the 4 mile veiwing range is nice too.




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Is an example of a suggestion made by a customer in the last week that already was implemented.

HiTech

[TequilaChaser]

Not always.  If you want to pork and repork as quickly as possible, it is better to die.  Time without ordinance is time wasted.  That's why you see so many heavies bomb and bail.

incase you missed it in one of the latest patch update noes of changes:
people can not bomb andbail and then reup like they once could......( now am not sure if when they bomb and bail, if the bombs just vaporize,but if they immediately reup they get no score !!! )


also, I tryed to read each and every post thoroughly, may have skipped a few ..but Clutz & toonces complaints about gameplay, fall soley on the Aces Hgih Community.........yes we have in the very beginning ( back in AH Beta days ), then throughout AH1, and to the current time have the power within each of us to impose "Good Game Play Etiquette"..........

So the problem, that most of these posts are about, is brought upon each one's on self....for not spreading the knowledge of good gameplay etiquette..yet just come to these boards that roughly what is it 5 to say 15% of all AH online players even read/follow/participate on and post our own displeasures of how the current gameplay is.......

to me that is it in a NutShell.....

Teach the newcomer the "Good Etiquette" call all game players out when they are doing the bad stuff....... if you do this and only do it 1/2 assed..then you might as well not try and help mold the newer players at all......

in order for it to work , one must stick to his her own preserverence a full 100% effort(<---spelling ).....and never give up on spreading Proper Game Play Etiquette..... help your fellow player, in return will help you enjoy your gameplay more......

It Really Is that Simple.......

[Lusche]

incase you missed it in one of the latest patch update noes of changes:
people can not bomb andbail and then reup like they once could......( now am not sure if when they bomb and bail, if the bombs just vaporize,but if they immediately reup they get no score !!! )

They still can, because almost no bomb'n'bailer bailed and reupped before his bombs hit the ground. They are always watching their hits first.

[TequilaChaser]

They still can, because almost no bomb'n'bailer bailed and reupped before his bombs hit the ground. They are always watching their hits first.

thanks Drama"Drag"Queen (jokin Lusche....hehe )  was unaware of that specifically.............time for a wishlist post from me....

[Lusche]

thanks Drama"Drag"Queen (jokin Lusche....hehe ) 

There is more truth to it as you ever wanted to know...   

[Masherbrum]

Yeah, I know all of that. If people have been telling you this for the last 20 years, and they are your customers, maybe you should listen to them. Some companies actually hire out to do market research. Just a thought, mind you.

Why are you angry at me? I love the airplanes and you are the one that made them. I got no real idea about any of this or what goes on at HighTech. All I know is I love the airplanes and most of my friends are all gone now. This is all I really know. I don't even make new friends now, because it becomes painful for me when they leave.

As far as "real battle" goes, I believe this is your weakness in thought. This is a "game" you have here, not a real war. Chess is a game, not a real war. I have been playing chess for decades. It does not frustrate me, it intrigues me still to this day. Just a thought, mind you.

I did not ask you to change the game for me "alone". I only have ever said graphic updates are not the most outstanding fundamental issues that rests on your shoulders, but that the very construction of the "game" itself is. Its always been this way for you, I guess. I imagine, pretty much. I could be wrong. I remember when you did away with fighter town. Horrifying. I remember your interaction with game players back then, and the things you said. That had nothing to do with graphics. It had everything to do with game play. Take that thought or leave it. Its your game. I am tired...

Tell us you are not this delusional?   You foist off "your opinion" as "something HTC has to do".   Then when Dale counters with reason, you fuel the fire with blatant arrogance?   You have some audacity.   Like Dale himself said: "If you don't like it, or it isn't up your standards?   Bye."

[Vudak]

*Snip*

+1

Clutz, over the years there have been many of us who have had the same complaints as you.  You are right that sometimes it's so bad that you can't even merge. 

Even so, it's hardly HiTech's fault.  You can't coad basic decency...  He could implement just about whatever function dreamed of and you would still find yourself ganged by one con after the other, after the other.  That's not something HiTech can forcefully fix, even if he wanted to (and really, from a business perspective, I'm not sure he would even if he could--if 10 guys are picking your 1, that's 10 subscriptions to 1...  Think about it.)

If you're sick and tired of it, there are a few things you can do:

1. Quit (and probably come back in a few weeks/months/years like many of us, including myself, have)
2. Blame yourself and your own bad SA and work to improve it (and probably not have as many fights in the process IMO)
3. Go into that DA you don't want to go into, work on getting better, and once you learn a few things, pass them on.

#3 is my personal choice, and I've seen it positively impact my own gameplay.  Both with running into people I've helped who now put up a better fight, and with getting some "charitable concessions" from other players. 

For example, tonight Bear76 picked me twice while I was in a good fight    in his Corsair.  On my third flight I was again in a good fight, I again saw a Corsair show up, and you know what?  The Corsair saw my icon, banked its wings and flew away.    Bear76 (and if this wasn't you, just roll with it ).  There are many people who will do this for you.

Get a reputation for being someone willing to be part of the solution, and for being someone who tries to be fair, and you will from time to time get to see that solution, and receive that fairness.  It won't save every sortie of yours from being a headache, but it will save some.

Sometimes you just need to come on here and vent, sure, but recognize it's not solving anything (and that perhaps you should go after us dweebs and not the CEO lol)

 

[Clutz]

I am not agree at you , but you deserve to be shown that you are completely clueeless of facts.

simple thing like this.
Is so bloody arogent, you do not even think of asking have we ever done this. You are clueless of our cash flows. The cost of doing that type of hieing. And you again ignore the fact that we are #1 in our market. Do you really think you create stuff like this with out having a supurb understanding of your customers and market? You believe you know so much of how to create the perfect game, get off your bloody bellybutton and create something in your life instead of throwing darts at someone who really does create new things every day.

You show your self over and over to be a complete fool. Evey player who has been on this bbs and been with us for a year or more KNOWS we listen to customers. But it is always people with super egos like yours who wish to claim that we do not listen because we do not agree with you or them. When customers make suggestions that are good ones, they get implemented.

Listen to yourself, you are talking to the CEO of a computer gaming company who started 1 company and made a big success of it, and then did it again a 2nd time. You are throwing stupid comments out like above with no facts and make assumptions just to throw more darts.

As to why I am jumping on your comments, it was not I who started the dart throwing, claiming HTC is doing a crapy job, and it is all our fault that YOU are not happy with my game and then telling me that I should change things just to make YOU and only YOU be happy. What market annalists have you ever done to back up your claim. How many customers have you listened to over the last 20 years.

How many support phone calls have you taken on weekends to help YOUR customers. How many times have you  worked week ends to fix software problems just to make YOUR customers happy. How many times have you maxed your credit cards just to pay your employees salaries.

How many times have you sleped on a cot in 90 deg temps baby sitting computers do to a town with out power. When you start to have even a little knowledge about the interactions and forces in a game maby we could begin to speak on the same plane, but you are so obviously uninformed about game design and business discussions that we can not even begin to speak the same language.

Clutz you really do not comprehend that this is my life , my passion and my livelihood. Are you so clueless as to not understand that any thing I can think of doing to make the most people happy and playing I do? Why would I not do so. It puts money in my pocket. It makes me look good. It makes many people happy with me. But the facts are there will always be people with your personality who are not happy with themselves for what ever reason, and always wish to blame that lack happiness on some one else, rather than looking in the mirror, getting off there duff and doing something to make themselves happy.

No matter how I change the game, you would still be the same unhappy dart thowing guy you are now. It is only you who can change yourself, me changing the game will never make you happy.

HiTech

I know, I know, and off to work we go. I own my one business, for 8 years now. I am am happy in a way, but the horror of it all constantly overwhelms me. I know. I know. Actually, it is you I have had in mind from the beginning of my topic post, believe it or not. You and your employees. I think about you all. I care. I have been reading these bulletin boards for years. I got an idea of you all, in general. I do care.

Dude, its your airplanes, and you got yourself an ace in the hole with them as far as I am concerned. No pun intended. All I want to do, as I quoted somebody in my very begging topic thread, is: "just jump online and have a few fun fights". Is that asking to much? Maybe it is, but its what "I" want, and I know there are others out there like me. We know the thrill these airplanes have when used in a correct sort of way and it is the very beauty of your design that makes them this way. Maybe this idea of fun fights is not a conceivable thing as far as the game goes, but it is my desire none the less. Maybe it is conceivable?

Besides the other things I have said previously, this is all of what I know to say.

[Guppy35]

Fun fights can be had any night of the week.  One of the reasons this 'vet' keeps playing.  It doesn't mean there aren't nights that are discouraging, but again that's a player based problem, not the game.

[FireDrgn]

HighTech makes graphic updates because they think it will keep customers. If it looks more cool, it will be more cool. This is nonsense. There is an old expression. "Less is more".

Why add all this crap? You people can not even process over the internet the information from my fighter stick. Now, you are going to add water that looks like a quilt my grandmother crocheted back in 1925? What are you all, stupid?

If you want customers, and if you want people to stop leaving the "game", make it a game.

I read on the bulletin boards years ago, some guy said, "man , I get home form work, and all I want to jump online and have some fun fights".

There is no "fun", at least not for me. Only stupidity. What fun is it for 10 green guys to chase one red guy, or 10 red guys to chase one green guy?

This is why people leave the game. I spent 3 hrs tonight and not a single fight that made any sense what so ever. There was only, as usual, nothing but stupidity.

If you want customers, HighTech, make it a game. Present a challenge your customers can learn and grow into. A game is not a game if it does not make sense and if there is no "challenge". Challenge is what to "game" means. It has always been this way. This is what needs fixing, not the graphics.


What would be one suggestion that you would like to share with HTC on how to do that exactly?    come on bring it to the table lets see what you got.

[bustr]

Guys,

All clutz wanted was Hitech's undivided attention along with a public audience to force him to listen by virtue of us being witnesses. After 9 pages and how many PERSONAL posts from HiTech it all comes down to this from clutz.

Quoted from Clutz:
All I want to do, as I quoted somebody in my very begging topic thread, is: "just jump online and have a few fun fights". Is that asking to much? Maybe it is, but its what "I" want,

Clutz didn't want to hear anything from us. He just wanted to use us to get from HiTech as he stated what he wants.

Clutz are a a relative of Voss...........