What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[CAP1]

So is there a car that ya don't have to work on..........have yet to see a maintanance free car being sold. I feel it has ALOT to do with the owner. If something is taken care of the way it is suppose to be it should last longer..........

no...as i said, i work on just about anyting that can fit in my bays.

my point was that the so-called superior german engineering isn't.

there's nothing a customer can do to prevent those water pumps or t-stats from going bad like that. that's just poop quality.

 i think i forgot to mention earlier too........i haven't seen any serious issues with volvos.

[CAP1]

Are you factory trained to work on said German cars cause if you not then your really imo are not able to make a realistic comment. Just from a safety standpoint the German side of car building wins hands down, my guess is you never been on the Autobahn either so getting a car up to it's true potential is something that is difficult if not impossible on the standard hwy here in the states. So knowing that you have 600 horses means little unless you want to just spin the tires.

yea......'cause i've never had my mustang above 150mph. ooo....wait......yes i did. easily.


 and factory training means poop. that's like being book smart, compared to street smart. i can, and do fix anything in my bays. and i do it well. real world is what's formed my opinions, and nothing else.

[BigPlay]

Don't confuse advanced engineering with reliability. German cars are advanced and highly refined, but not more reliable than most other cars. Japanese engineering is reliable (for the most part). I prefer the German.

Many of the reliability depends on the quality of the parts in it. I have 2 Toyota's and other then scheduled maintenance nothing ever breaks. Now I make sure that Toyota  parts are installed not after market ones. I have found that after market parts fail more often then the factory parts. Most Japanese technolgy and design is based off of German car makers anyway. I just saw a new Lexas with the same type taillights as the BMW 5 series, headlight design always seems to be a German copy as well.

[BigPlay]

yea......'cause i've never had my mustang above 150mph. ooo....wait......yes i did. easily.


 and factory training means poop. that's like being book smart, compared to street smart. i can, and do fix anything in my bays. and i do it well. real world is what's formed my opinions, and nothing else.

Well if I ever owned a Porsche again a factory trained (PORSCHE) mechanic is the only one that would touch my car. It's like having a handyman build you a house, yeah he may get it built but will it be built as well as a contractor. I would never have a general mechanic work on anything that expensive . Also getting a mustang to 150 is rather misleading. I know you drag race so I am guessing that's where it happened. Driving 150-180 along a stretch of hwy for an extended period of time is what I'm referring to. Last time I checked there were no dragstrips on the Autobahn. Just because I can get my crotch rocket to 180 in a straight line is not the same as driving it that fast on a windy road . Porsche is a high performance touring car not meant to make a lot of noise or cover the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds. It's meant to handle well with good performance and reasonable fuel economy all the time providing comfort for the driver and passengers for an extended period of time. I would not want to travel across the country in a Viper, Corvette of Cobra.

[Die Hard]

Many of the reliability depends on the quality of the parts in it. I have 2 Toyota's and other then scheduled maintenance nothing ever breaks. Now I make sure that Toyota  parts are installed not after market ones. I have found that after market parts fail more often then the factory parts. Most Japanese technolgy and design is based off of German car makers anyway. I just saw a new Lexas with the same type taillights as the BMW 5 series, headlight design always seems to be a German copy as well.

Yes, what the Americans and Euros introduced last year the Japanese have copied and made more reliable and sell this year. Old, old story.

[BigPlay]

Yes, what the Americans and Euros introduced last year the Japanese have copied and made more reliable and sell this year. Old, old story.

agreed !

[CAP1]

Many of the reliability depends on the quality of the parts in it. I have 2 Toyota's and other then scheduled maintenance nothing ever breaks. Now I make sure that Toyota  parts are installed not after market ones. I have found that after market parts fail more often then the factory parts. Most Japanese technolgy and design is based off of German car makers anyway. I just saw a new Lexas with the same type taillights as the BMW 5 series, headlight design always seems to be a German copy as well.

YOU DO realize that the same companies that make the parts for toyota, make them for the aftermarket, right?

and for the record, toyotas had those headlight designs, and taillight designs before bmw did. i actually don't like them on the beemrs...........

[CAP1]

Well if I ever owned a Porsche again a factory trained (PORSCHE) mechanic is the only one that would touch my car. It's like having a handyman build you a house, yeah he may get it built but will it be built as well as a contractor. I would never have a general mechanic work on anything that expensive . Also getting a mustang to 150 is rather misleading. I know you drag race so I am guessing that's where it happened. Driving 150-180 along a stretch of hwy for an extended period of time is what I'm referring to. Last time I checked there were no dragstrips on the Autobahn. Just because I can get my crotch rocket to 180 in a straight line is not the same as driving it that fast on a windy road . Porsche is a high performance touring car not meant to make a lot of noise or cover the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds. It's meant to handle well with good performance and reasonable fuel economy all the time providing comfort for the driver and passengers for an extended period of time. I would not want to travel across the country in a Viper, Corvette of Cobra.

230am, coming home from mcguire afb. took the on-ramp at about 45(it was a decreasing radius), as i exited the radius, i firewalled it. the needle passed 140 about midway through 4th gear. by 5th, it was up against the back of the zero rest.  i still had plenty to go, but didn't, as i only wanted to see that she could do it. i wasn't out to kill myself, or anyone else. she handled the speed very nicely.....she bit down, and didn't get "floaty" like the crown vics do. she felt stable, was no problem lane changing.

 
 140 is at 5 clock, 0 is at 7 oclock on the 89 mustangs.


o yea.........i'll never ever do that again on a public road....looking back, i realize how incredibly stupid that was of me.

when i drag race, she's only doing 117 through the traps. my camaro race car does 131 through the traps.

my buddy drives his viper all over the place.....and he loves it.
i personally don't like the vipers only because i can't stand the "buzzy" noise those v-10's make. i've never worked on a viper either btw........

[BigPlay]

YOU DO realize that the same companies that make the parts for toyota, make them for the aftermarket, right?

and for the record, toyotas had those headlight designs, and taillight designs before bmw did. i actually don't like them on the beemrs...........

 I have first hand at aftermarket radiators. I had a Toyota in my work fleet with 300,000 miles and was putting a new radiators in every year. I asked the mechanic why and he said because it was after market. I put a Toyota radiator in and it lasted until I sold the truck and that was 2 years later. I sold it to a painter I use and he has had the truck for the last 2 years and the radaiator is still working fine. Now the Toyota raditor was twice the cost then the aftermarket one was but it did last over twice as long. Oh the Lexas I saw was brand new, the BMW was from the last body style they had so how did they come up with the design after?

[Dragon]

Nothing to add to the argument, but while looking around I found this picture and figured I'd share it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/2_Apollos_(Prototype)_with_F-4_Phantom.jpg



Makes a wicked cool desktop background.  

[CAP1]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/GT3RS-VS-Z06-on-the-HD_640529.htm

yep. this video shows 9 minutes of a gt3 owning a z06. 

a very poorly driven z06 at that.

[CAP1]

 I have first hand at aftermarket radiators. I had a Toyota in my work fleet with 300,000 miles and was putting a new radiators in every year. I asked the mechanic why and he said because it was after market. I put a Toyota radiator in and it lasted until I sold the truck and that was 2 years later. I sold it to a painter I use and he has had the truck for the last 2 years and the radaiator is still working fine. Now the Toyota raditor was twice the cost then the aftermarket one was but it did last over twice as long. Oh the Lexas I saw was brand new, the BMW was from the last body style they had so how did they come up with the design after?

you were getting screwed then. i've never had to replace a radiator that i've already replaced.

because the camry had those styled lights before the beemr.

and be careful....there's a difference between mechanics and technicians.

[Die Hard]

because the camry had those styled lights before the beemr.

Could you provide pictures? (google images is your friend)

[CAP1]

Could you provide pictures? (google images is your friend)

2000 beemr



2001 camry


2003 toyota


2004 beemr

[jdbecks]

them BMW lights go back as far as 1996 on the 2000 5 series photo