Japanese Navy

[RaptorL]

Thank you for your support RipChord929, and thank you for the compliment.

[Karnak]

LLogann,

The Japanese did launch some modern carriers during WWII, not refurbished ships.  Yes, their industry was in no way up to the task of taking on the US, but to pretend that nothing modern was added to their inventory after 1939 is wrong.

[LLogann]

<S> sir

..... But you obviously didn't read all that I said either.  No offense, just saying.  Mid-1942.  However, let's digest the other comment........ Shall we?  Pre-1939, they had a much smaller area of ocean to worry about.  In essence, attacking the USA caused the dispersion of naval vessels so far, that they were no longer a naval power in the same manner they were before signing the treaty with Germany.  There is no other way to look at it.  The island nation basically relied on the people they attacked to supply them with the materials needed to build.  After Dec. 7th, they were getting their heavy metals from Asia, which was..... Structurally inferior due to mix contamination. 

LLogann,

The Japanese did launch some modern carriers during WWII, not refurbished ships.  Yes, their industry was in no way up to the task of taking on the US, but to pretend that nothing modern was added to their inventory after 1939 is wrong.

You can also go back to Imperial databases to see that Japanese engineers warned of design flaws using Asian metals.  So, although it can be argued, it is safe to say, IMO, that NO MODERN ships were built after 1939.  Well, modern really is the wrong word.  What word would you use to describe the Titanic?  Insert that word here. 

[RipChord929]

LLogan, I'll say whatever I want, whenever I want!!! If Skuzzy conks me with the Banstick, thats his choice!!!
But if you don't like what I say,? hah!!!  Truthfully, I really don't give a flyin fat rat poop, wether you do or not.... If my comments were subject to your approval, I wouldn't bother reading this BB at all... ....<out>....

And you are welcome Raptor...

RC

[LLogann]

Sounds like somebody needs to count to 10.   Maybe meet a girl...... Or a boy.... I won't judge.  Not that I'm saying your a little pissy right now.  But you kind of come across that way pumpkin.  

LLogan, I'll say whatever I want, whenever I want!!! If Skuzzy conks me with the Banstick, thats his choice!!!
But if you don't like what I say,? hah!!!  Truthfully, I really don't give a flyin fat rat poop, wether you do or not.... If my comments were subject to your approval, I wouldn't bother reading this BB at all... ....<out>....

And you are welcome Raptor...

RC

[OOZ662]

LLogan, I'll say whatever I want, whenever I want!!! If Skuzzy conks me with the Banstick, thats his choice!!!
But if you don't like what I say,? hah!!!  Truthfully, I really don't give a flyin fat rat poop, wether you do or not.... If my comments were subject to your approval, I wouldn't bother reading this BB at all... ....<out>....

Wow.

[RaptorL]

Easy boys, and lets focus on the topic. lol

[Ack-Ack]

 

You can also go back to Imperial databases to see that Japanese engineers warned of design flaws using Asian metals.  So, although it can be argued, it is safe to say, IMO, that NO MODERN ships were built after 1939.  Well, modern really is the wrong word.  What word would you use to describe the Titanic?  Insert that word here. 

Yamato Class Battleships:
Yamato: 1941
Musashi: 1942

These two ships were comparable in power to the US Iowa class battleships.  Both the Yamato and her sister ship, Musashi were the largest and heaviest battleships ever built.

IJN Musashi


IJN Yamato


You also seem to forget that the US Navy was also operating a very large number of warships that were 25 years or so older by the time the war started.  We operated a large amount of ships that had last seen action in World War I and most of the cruisers and heavy cruisers were close to 20 years old.  It was only when the Iowa class of battleships come out did the US Navy had a 'modern' battleship.


ack-ack

[LLogann]

You just mentioned 2 ships.... At the bottom of the ocean.  Now let us make a statement.  "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

Yamato Class Battleships:
Yamato: 1941
Musashi: 1942

ack-ack

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

[OOZ662]

The fact that the crew and OICs were pansies says nothing of the ship.

[RipChord929]

Post Midway, the biggest problem faced by the IJN wasn't replacing their lost carriers, being as they still outnumbered us carrier wise... It was the loss the airgroup personnel from their two best trained, and most experienced carrier divisions... That hurt them the most... They had all their eggs in one basket, and they lost it all in one fell swoop... The ones that were left, were frittered away in the Solomons.. (instead of using their experience to train the next crop of aircrew, as the USN did) They replaced the carriers in time for the Mariana Ops, but the aircrews were green as hell, and they lost that whole group too, LOL!!!   After that, there was really nothing left... Except their surface fleet, which was very potent, but poorly commanded...

RC

[Ack-Ack]

You just mentioned 2 ships.... At the bottom of the ocean.  Now let us make a statement.  "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

Yes.  The materials used to build these ships weren't a factor in their sinking by the US Navy.


ack-ack

[Rino]

     The IJN Taiho was the first Japanese Carrier built with an armored deck.



     She was laid down in the Kawasaki yards 10-7-1941 and completed in 1944

     Also I disagree with Ack-Ack about modern US BBs before the Iowa class, BB-58
USS North Carolina was a modern BB and served before the Iowas did.



June 1st, 1942

[Karnak]

You just mentioned 2 ships.... At the bottom of the ocean.  Now let us make a statement.  "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

 "Would these 2 beasts have been sunk if they were made from American metal?"

Yes, absolutely.  Look how much Musashi took before she went down.  Even Yamato, sunk after learning the lessons from the sinking of Musashi, took much more to sink than the modern HMS Prince of Wales took.

[Nemisis]

Jealousy is an ugly thing.


ack-ack

Jelousy? I was saying they can beat the newbs. Or do you not count them as players untill they've passed the initation ritual  ?