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Turning point of the War.
« on: October 31, 2009, 08:48:50 PM »
What is your top 5 battles that was the turning point of the war.

Gettysburg-American Civil War (east)
Normandy- WWII (eastern front), Stalingrad (western front)
Vicksburg- American Civil war (west)
The Battle of Saratoga 1777- American Rev. war
The Battle of Quebec- French and Indian War
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 08:50:14 PM »
I don't have 5, but...

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Midway - WWII Pacific theater
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 08:50:29 PM »
Gettysburg
Vicksburg
Normandy
Midway
Stalingrad
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 09:01:17 PM »
I don't have 5, but...

pwning of Baghdad Bob - Iraq 2

Midway - WWII Pacific theater

LOL, is that what you call it these days.
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 10:04:16 PM »
What is your top 5 battles that was the turning point of the war.

Gettysburg-American Civil War (east)
Normandy- WWII (eastern front), Stalingrad (western front)
Vicksburg- American Civil war (west)
The Battle of Saratoga 1777- American Rev. war
The Battle of Quebec- French and Indian War


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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 10:07:07 PM »
LOL, is that what you call it these days.

We were getting our butts kicked until Baghdad Bob vanished.  Then we were winning.  It was an amazing reversal.
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 10:31:09 PM »
Siege of Syracuse - Peloponnesian War

PTO WW2: none.  The end was a forgone conclusion after December 7th.
ETO WW2: Can't choose just one... BoB, El Alamein, Stalingrad would be my picks.  Normandy?  Not a chance, the war was already over for Germany.

In most cases, I think too much emphasis is placed on so-called turning points.  The result of most wars I have studied is a process of initial strategic advantage winning out over whatever tactical variance might have made things interesting at the beginning.


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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 10:43:58 PM »
edit required. ;) ;)

Was wondering if anyone else noticed. ;)
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 10:44:33 PM »
PTO WW2: none.  The end was a forgone conclusion after December 7th.
That would make Pearl Harbor itself the turning point, correct?  As such, the answer isn't "none".
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 10:54:26 PM »
Interesting-

Korean War- Battle of Chosin

World War 2- Battle of Kursk

World War 1- Hundred Days Offensive

American Civil War- Battle of Gettysburg

Vietnam War- Vietnamization
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 11:00:53 PM »
That would make Pearl Harbor itself the turning point, correct?  As such, the answer isn't "none".

Turning point implies that the final result was previously undetermined or the odds were previously against the side that won.  I see neither of those things obtaining here.  That's how I see it at least.

Maybe I should have said "before December 7th."
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 12:45:27 AM »
edit required. ;) ;)

OMG!  I can not believe that i did that.  Thx
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 01:23:16 AM »
WW1 - The first battle of Villers-Bretonneux, 1918
WW2 - The Failure of Barbarossa, ie. the onset of winter 1941/ Defeat of the Japanese Kokoda Track campaign, 1942

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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 02:05:24 AM »
In the American Civil War, the battle of Gettysburg was definitely a turning point.  Before that the South was on a roll, and had the manpower to continue prosecuting it's interests in the war.  It's hard to say if the South could have really defeated the North in an extremely protracted conflict, but their objectives were not to subjugate the Union, just to guarantee their independence from it.  After this battle the South had lost much of it's ability to effectively continue the war.

In WW2 the question is more difficult.  There are many battles that could be called definitive.  One could call the Battle of Britain an important turning point.  I think something on the Eastern front, whether Kursk or Stalingrad would in the end be more crucial to the fall of the Third Reich. 

In the Pacific theater there were definitely turning points.  While the Japanese would not have been able to hold out in a long and drawn out battle with the might of American industry, their ability to make war and their territorial possessions cannot be discounted.  The battle of Midway eliminated much of their carrier force, and likewise the battle of the Philippine Sea (Marianas Turkey Shoot) eliminated much of the remaining naval air power at their disposal.  It can be said that Japan was on it's haunches at that point already, and I think in the end the overall outcome of the war was indeed a foregone conclusion at the start of it, given America's new found tenacity, but Japan's ability to make war would have necessitated a much different outcome than proved to be the case.  In this sense I think the battle of Midway was a definite turning point.
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Re: Turning point of the War.
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 02:23:17 AM »
WW2 definately had a turning point at Midway, think if they would have done the opposite to us there, we would have been on our heels for acouple of years. Ghettysburg was probably the big one in the Civil War but some could argue for some of the west battles.
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