Iran war games?

[warhed]

Well let's see now ah... cobalt thorium G... Radioactive halflife of uh, ... hmm.. I would think that uh... possibly uh... one hundred years?

Cobalt 60 has a half-life of around 5 years I believe.  But when talking half-lives, you have to remember, Co60 would then no longer be radioactive at that 5 year mark.  However, considering your common topsoil is radioactive, how long before that same Co60 would be as radioactive as soil, or a banana, or a TV set, or computer screen, or a granite counter top, etc.?

[Rich46yo]

Last year I did a study of google earth pics on military bases throughout the world. What could you possibly see using these maps you may ask?

Well if you were ever in the service, most of all an Air Force, you can tell an awful lot about a military machine by looking at Sat maps. Which is probably why we have spent gazillions of $$ developing and deploying them.

The first thing you see, and I use the term "NATO standard", is that with NT military bases, for instance like Singapore or Australia, the bases are well ordered, trimmed, roads are new, equipment is kept well, buildings are cared for...ect. Nato standard is usually reserved for countries with western influence in their Military. Western equipment, western doctrine, western training.

With Russia one see's their bases that are supporting their nuclear deterrent are kept up far better then their other bases. Wait, here is the pic of one of Iran's most important naval bases "Bandar Shaheed Bahonar" on the Persian Gulf. Its so important its home to their Kilo class SSKs, probably their most important naval asset.


The place looks like a crap hole with oil leaks. And its looks far better in this pic then in the one I did before. The Iranians are not up to our standards and never will be. I'm not downplaying the threat. All I'm saying is its manageable. The only reason they survived their war against Saddam is cause they still had a western air force with western equipment and pilots trained by us.

Of course all that changes if they get nukes. And its not just nukes they are shooting for. Its the entire production chain of nukes/delivery systems they are striving to produce. Thats means from A to Z they want to be able to build in-house everything needed to produce and deliver nuclear weapons. From mining uranium to bombs to missiles to targeting systems. Everything!

[MORAY37]

Last year I did a study of google earth pics on military bases throughout the world. What could you possibly see using these maps you may ask?

Well if you were ever in the service, most of all an Air Force, you can tell an awful lot about a military machine by looking at Sat maps. Which is probably why we have spent gazillions of $$ developing and deploying them.

The first thing you see, and I use the term "NATO standard", is that with NT military bases, for instance like Singapore or Australia, the bases are well ordered, trimmed, roads are new, equipment is kept well, buildings are cared for...ect. Nato standard is usually reserved for countries with western influence in their Military. Western equipment, western doctrine, western training.

With Russia one see's their bases that are supporting their nuclear deterrent are kept up far better then their other bases. Wait, here is the pic of one of Iran's most important naval bases "Bandar Shaheed Bahonar" on the Persian Gulf. Its so important its home to their Kilo class SSKs, probably their most important naval asset.
(Image removed from quote.)

The place looks like a crap hole with oil leaks. And its looks far better in this pic then in the one I did before. The Iranians are not up to our standards and never will be. I'm not downplaying the threat. All I'm saying is its manageable. The only reason they survived their war against Saddam is cause they still had a western air force with western equipment and pilots trained by us.

Of course all that changes if they get nukes. And its not just nukes they are shooting for. Its the entire production chain of nukes/delivery systems they are striving to produce. Thats means from A to Z they want to be able to build in-house everything needed to produce and deliver nuclear weapons. From mining uranium to bombs to missiles to targeting systems. Everything!

I'm not quite sure what you are going for, but cherry picking one single base from the branch of the military that is the least important to Iran is seriously flawed logic. 

Iranian military doctrine puts absolutely no importance on power projection at sea, except defensively.  The most capable surface unit they currently have is a single Destroyer the Jamaran, which is on par (but less capable than) the Oliver Hazard Perry class of U.S Frigates.
There are currently less active duty Iranian sailors in their entire Navy than the complement of 3 US carriers.

Honestly, all this bravado about bombing Iran is stupendously illogical.  Just like their bravado.  They are no threat whatsoever to our way of life, and have never started a war in their entire history, to boot.  Both Irans' and the United States' religious fringe should be eviscerated for both country's collective good.

[RTHolmes]

Honestly, all this bravado about bombing Iran is stupendously illogical.  Just like their bravado.  They are no threat whatsoever to our way of life, and have never started a war in their entire history, to boot.  Both Irans' and the United States' religious fringe should be eviscerated for both country's collective good.

[Strip]

Cobalt 60 has a half-life of around 5 years I believe.  But when talking half-lives, you have to remember, Co60 would then no longer be radioactive at that 5 year mark.  However, considering your common topsoil is radioactive, how long before that same Co60 would be as radioactive as soil, or a banana, or a TV set, or computer screen, or a granite counter top, etc.?

The Cobalt-60 would be radioactive for far longer than roughly 5 years, in that time only half of the of the cobalt would be gone.

In fact after 20 years some 6% would still remain, and still radioactive.....

[-tronski-]

The only reason they survived their war against Saddam is cause they still had a western air force with western equipment and pilots trained by us.

You'll find the only real reason they lost the first gulf war against Saddam was because of intervention by Reagan backing Saddam

Honestly, all this bravado about bombing Iran is stupendously illogical.  Just like their bravado.  They are no threat whatsoever to our way of life, and have never started a war in their entire history, to boot.  Both Irans' and the United States' religious fringe should be eviscerated for both country's collective good.

What he said, and considering the history between the US and Iran its not exactly rocket surgery that they wouldn't be in the slightest interested being open about anything

 Tronsky

[Rich46yo]

You'll find the only real reason they lost the first gulf war against Saddam was because of intervention by Reagan backing Saddam

Haha. This is a good one. One of my favorites.

Its true we supplied Saddam with Intel on the disposition of Iranian forces. Its also true we sold him some non-militarized helicopters and trucks. The US, however, did not sell him any weapons. Want to pin that one on somebody? Then blame the French of Russians who sold him as much as he could pay for. Saddam survived That war due to Arab money and Russian/French weapons. But nobody blames the French for all the Mirages and Exocets do they? Or the Russians for all the Migs, combat helicopters, artillery, tanks, rifles, Scuds. Oh precious, oh my precious.

What he said, and considering the history between the US and Iran its not exactly rocket surgery that they wouldn't be in the slightest interested being open about anything

Well the concern is since they have dribbled countless times how much they want to strike down the "Great Satan", as in "us", and the Israelis, "whom they usually refer to as "dogs", is that once they get all these nukes, long range missiles, advanced targeting systems, is that they will then use them.

This is a country ran by a bunch of Lunatics and fanatics mind you. A religious Dictatorship that didn't think twice to send their own little Kids dancing thru minefields to clear the fields for their infantry.

Most maniacs will tell you beforehand what they will eventually do. BinLadin did. Hitler did. Stalin did. All of them usually do. And yet we keep thinking the next one in line is just talking smack.

[Rich46yo]

Maybe you should re-read my post then. Oh BTW, I'll say it again, this base is home to their Kilo class SSKs. Their most important naval assets in the Gulf.

But the point I made was, and you see this looking at all their bases, is this is no NATO standard military machine we are facing with Iran. While they have some decent systems they have very little experience in using them in cooridinated operations. This picture describe, at best, an upper 3rd world military machine. Not even on the level of Turkey who has the advantage of Yank/NATO influence, weapons, training,dotrine, support.

I'm not quite sure what you are going for, but cherry picking one single base from the branch of the military that is the least important to Iran is seriously flawed logic. 

Iranian military doctrine puts absolutely no importance on power projection at sea, except defensively.  The most capable surface unit they currently have is a single Destroyer the Jamaran, which is on par (but less capable than) the Oliver Hazard Perry class of U.S Frigates.
There are currently less active duty Iranian sailors in their entire Navy than the complement of 3 US carriers.

Honestly, all this bravado about bombing Iran is stupendously illogical.  Just like their bravado.  They are no threat whatsoever to our way of life, and have never started a war in their entire history, to boot.  Both Irans' and the United States' religious fringe should be eviscerated for both country's collective good.

[RTHolmes]

Well the concern is since they have dribbled countless times how much they want to strike down the "Great Satan", as in "us", and the Israelis, "whom they usually refer to as "dogs", is that once they get all these nukes, long range missiles, advanced targeting systems, is that they will then use them.

how is this any different from Bush (fully convinced that God is on his side) labelling their entire nation "Evil", and the numerous thinly veiled threats of devastating military action against Iran?

indeed, how is nutjobs in Iran chanting "death to america" any different from nutjobs in the US advocating "turn the whole middle east to glass" and similar?

[parker00]

how is this any different from Bush (fully convinced that God is on his side) labelling their entire nation "Evil", and the numerous thinly veiled threats of devastating military action against Iran?

indeed, how is nutjobs in Iran chanting "death to america" any different from nutjobs in the US advocating "turn the whole middle east to glass" and similar?

Exactly, all this hype about attacking Iran?? So what they hate us or Israel, so did the russians yet we are all still here. Iran may have some crazy guy as the face but when it comes down to it the Clerics controlling him still want control so they will not allow him to do something stupid like nuke the US or Israel.

Can anyone explain why we care so much about Israel, is it the lobbist, money, ect? They have nothing we want, can offer us nothing but pain and headaches, catch their spies on a monthly basis. I just don't get why we would allow ourselves to get into another war just because someone is threatening Israel...

[Jappa52]

how is this any different from Bush (fully convinced that God is on his side) labelling their entire nation "Evil", and the numerous thinly veiled threats of devastating military action against Iran?

indeed, how is nutjobs in Iran chanting "death to america" any different from nutjobs in the US advocating "turn the whole middle east to glass" and similar?

oh jebus, you have to laugh at thoughts like this.

[RTHolmes]

if you cant follow the simple analogy then, yes, laughing is another option ...

[Jappa52]

You are really going to put Bush and Ahmadinejad on the same page? Pres. Bush never said that Iran should be turned to glass but Ahmadinejad has publically threatened Israel with genocide several times, he has denied the Holocaust happened and continued to build nuclear facilities.

[RTHolmes]

although there are interesting similarities I guess the biggest difference is that while ahmedinejad appears to be all talk, bush actually went ahead and invaded 2 foreign nations at a cost of (very conservative estimate here) 200,000 lives. so, no I wouldnt put them on the same page.

[Jappa52]

Appears to be talk..... It's only talk to you since you don't live down the street from him right?