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« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2009, 05:12:03 PM »
And why would you go through the entire process of having a nuclear program and enriching uranium just to make dirty bombs? Instead of buying the uranium, or using chemical/biological weapons?
It's not gonna be weapons qualtiy U-235.

It doesnt have to be. Dirty bombs arent just dangerous. Theyre also sneaky. Every single Uranium isotope produces an alpha particle when it decays. Uranium particles thrown up in the air from a car bombing can spread in a cloud. This invisible cloud inhaled will then kill people from the inside. Slowly and painfully. Just ask the rescue workers at Chernobyl.  

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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2009, 05:12:57 PM »
Gas centrifuges are hardly 1940's technology....

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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2009, 05:14:39 PM »
nvm
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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2009, 05:14:53 PM »
It's not gonna be weapons qualtiy U-235.

It doesnt have to be. Dirty bombs arent just dangerous. Theyre also sneaky. Every single Uranium isotope produces an alpha particle when it decays. Uranium particles thrown up in the air from a car bombing can spread in a cloud. This invisible cloud inhaled will then kill people from the inside. Slowly and painfully. Just ask the rescue workers at Chernobyl.  

The rescue workers at Chernobyl had to deal with literal piles of melted nuclear fuel.  A dirty bomb by common definition is nothing close to what Chernobyl experienced.
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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2009, 05:16:19 PM »
You do realize that an X-Ray machine from any hospital would supply enough radioactive material to make a really messy dirty bomb right? 

The thing is, Uranium produces an alpha particle. Basically a helium nucleus. If it gets inhaled it will begin to kill of body cells. Unlike beta particles and gamma particles, alpha particles cannot pass through the skin. Immediate radiation poisoning. Ask the chernobyl rescue workers.

There has to be at least one that didnt die.

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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2009, 05:17:46 PM »
You do realize that an X-Ray machine from any hospital would supply enough radioactive material to make a really messy dirty bomb right? 

Wrong.....most, if not all, Xray machines use no radioactive material.

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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2009, 05:19:04 PM »
:rofl :rofl
You lack basic knowledge on this subject.

Did you find the right answer?

I assume that I was correct.

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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2009, 05:19:41 PM »
The thing is, Uranium produces an alpha particle. Basically a helium nucleus. If it gets inhaled it will begin to kill of body cells. Unlike beta particles and gamma particles, alpha particles cannot pass through the skin. Immediate radiation poisoning. Ask the chernobyl rescue workers.

There has to be at least one that didnt die.

I work in the nuclear industry.  I will happily inform you, I try my best to limit my exposure to all kinds of radiation we produce.  Not to even mention, when you're dealing with radioactive contamination, its not hard to get particles INSIDE of you.  Through the eyes, or wounds, or even into the GI system.  
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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2009, 05:19:45 PM »
Gas centrifuges are hardly 1940's technology....

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No you're right. It's 1930's technology. Jesse W. Beams and co-workers at the University of Virginia developed the process in 1934.
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« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2009, 05:20:30 PM »
Also, I have had the honor of having many communications with people who worked on the cleanup at Chernobyl, what do you wanna know?
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« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2009, 05:21:48 PM »
Wrong.....most, if not all, Xray machines use no radioactive material.

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There is a radioactive element in x-ray machines. 
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« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2009, 05:22:39 PM »
I work in the nuclear industry.  I will happily inform you, I try my best to limit my exposure to all kinds of radiation we produce.  Not to even mention, when you're dealing with radioactive contamination, its not hard to get particles INSIDE of you.  Through the eyes, or wounds, or even into the GI system.  

Then you must know theres a vast difference between radioactive particles?

I'm just stating theres a big difference between gamma, beta and alpha particles.



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« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2009, 05:23:56 PM »
Then again you're the one that's having a weapons argument with a 15 year old child.

You dont have basic knowledge on the subject either. Youre just ignorant.

If you're a 15 year old child then shut the hell up and listen instead of arguing with your elders. Maybe you'll learn something! ;)
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« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2009, 05:25:44 PM »
No you're right. It's 1930's technology. Jesse W. Beams and co-workers at the University of Virginia developed the process in 1934.

If you want to quote Wiki I can do that too....yawn.

The gas centrifuge process was not applied to uranium enrichment for quite a few years after the end of WW2. Still its like stating TV is a 1930's technology, sure it is from that time period but how much do they have in common with todays devices?

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« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2009, 05:27:48 PM »
If you want to quote Wiki I can do that too....yawn.

The gas centrifuge process was not applied to uranium enrichment for quite a few years after the end of WW2. Still its like stating TV is a 1930's technology, sure it is from that time period but how much do they have in common with todays devices?

Strip

I don't know the exact level of technology of the Iranian centrifuges... Do you?
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