Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[CAP1]

<bonk bonk> Is this thing on?

to be honest, i don;t see any differences in the weather in general between now, and when i was a kid. i'm speaking locally of course. the only real change is me. i'm a LOT less tolerant of cold weather, and a little less tolerant of really hot weather.

 this past summer here in the nj area, never got hot enough for me to even run the a/c at my house, or in my van. think we only had a few days in the 90's.

 but then, according to some, it's getting cooler, because of the global warming. 

and this isn't a shot at you dude.

[Strip]

I love how anyone who says global warming is not a problem is an OPEC oil loving retard.

Strip

[MORAY37]

I love how anyone who says global warming is not a problem is an OPEC oil loving retard.

Strip

I never said that Strip.... I simply pointed out the source of funding for most denial-skewed studies. OPEC has funded almost all of them, followed by EXXON-Mobil.  

It's easy to look up.  You can do it too, without the understandable backlash at the messenger.  Remember, I don't care what you think.  I already believe it's too late.  We're seeing interdisciplinary effects now (Biology, Ecology, Physics, Meteorology, Hydrology, etc etc...).

Whether you think it is or isn't, the funding isn't a mystery.  Corporate profits are clouding the collective facts.

[sluggish]

Just as grant grabbing has clouded the rest?

[bj229r]

EPA has weighed in....and they freely admit that IPCC is among their largest references. Any companies who were thinking about opening up shop in the US has definitely decided to go elsewhere now
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126013960013179181.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

[Simba]

Global warming?

I'm quarter-Welsh and half-Scottish, and tired of the cost of heating the house - bring it on!

 

[MORAY37]

Just as grant grabbing has clouded the rest?

If you understood the grant process, you may not see it that way.

Your argument is moot, as you don't grasp even a minute bit of what you're even talking about.

[bj229r]

Government grants go to groups looking to prove MMGW....any study that aims to refute that, is invariably funded by private enterprise, and thus, instantly derided, science-be-damned

[CAP1]

Government grants go to groups looking to prove MMGW....any study that aims to refute that, is invariably funded by private enterprise, and thus, instantly derided, science-be-damned

that couldn't be. our governments would never betray the very people that placed them in power that way.






or would they?

[DMBEAR]

Im still mad at those cave men that ended the last ice age with their fires and destroyed any chance for me to meet Snuffleustudmuffinas by hunting them into extintion.  As you can see, the human species could not survive their greed.

Damn you caveman!

Edit: It wont let me type snuffle uf agus

[batch]

actually taking that into consideration........ if we accept that those pesky cavemen created such a disasterous scenario here on earth............ then I propose its GEICO thats doing it again....... with all those dang cavemen running around on their commercials........ destroy GEICO and the world is saved

[Kev367th]

I'm sorry, but one stolen batch of emails (whose credibility has not been established) by one single researcher does not refute the scientific body of knowledge on the subject.  

a) Was not 'one single researcher' it was the top group of researchers at the CRU and abroad.
b) Credibility - Not one of the above has said they are fake.

I can only guess you haven't read them or you would know a) already.

Oh and there is allegedly another 100mb to come.

[Chalenge]

Just to put this in perspective... think of Galileo.

Galileo did the research and made observations and came to undeniable conclusions about Copernicanism. Scientists of the day did what? At least the philosophers of the day denounced him to the Roman Inquisition.

Galileo was also wrong because he did not fully understand the physics involved but not wrong in the way scientists of the day thought.

I believe we have the same issues today. Scientists are enjoying the new found power and sudden interest (controversy) in climate science and yes they will deny anything that comes up that might detract from the spotlight upon them.

I have been saving freon cans for decades and now Im going to go vent another one. 

[DMBEAR]

The squirming of the worms the last few weeks has been most enjoyable.  You'd almost think they might not be so bold in refusing to practice what they preach, but you would be wrong...

Let me give credit to a FW in "another forum" for posting this:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

[33Vortex]

The last thing they want to cut is their own spending. It will continue that way.