Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Chalenge]

No Have it is a problem only when refineries are limited in number and when new refineries are forbidden by law or treaty. There is plenty of oil in the Earth right now and plenty of sites that could be producing more oil and the profits from oil sales could be pushing technology research even more than it is... but instead production is being limited and productive wells are not being used or new wells drilled. Why? 

[Stoney]

You should thank the carbon camp...all of 'em.
Why?
Their effort will lead to us humans running out of oil later than before expected.
Oh, and we will run out. I have no belief in mankind either finding another "source" in time, nor take care about CO2 and GW issues. We're gonna burn what we have until we run out and then say....sheeeet!

Necessity is the mother of invention.  Have faith...

[Angus]

Exactly Stoney, exactly

[CAP1]

Actually the planet is not ever going to completely run out of oil. As the consumption constantly increases, it will be harder and harder for the producers to meet the growing demand and that will lead to increasing prices. It is simple market economics.

I have no doubt that when this current economic recession starts to clear and and the global economy gets back to the growing trend again the oil prices will hike up again.

your first statement above is true. the rest? not so true.

oil is not fossil fuel. it is indeed renewable.

[Sundowner]

Greenland ice core RAW data.

Last  600 years - Ooooh look a hockey stick!

 

Regards,
Sun

[bj229r]

http://www.iceagenow.com/Pacific_Ocean_sea_levels_falling.htm

Hmmm...sea levels FALLING? Dang...they were sposed to be rising....

4 Jul 05 - The tiny country of Tuvalu is not cooperating with global warming models. In the early 1990s, scientists warned that the Pacific coral atoll of nine islands - only 12 feet above sea level at their highest point - would vanish within decades, swamped by rising seas. Sea levels were supposedly rising at the rate of 1.5 inches per year.

Understandably, the residents of Tuvalu were concerned, so Tuvalu's official meteorological agency began measuring sea levels.

Ten years later they were shocked to discover that sea levels had fallen 2.5 inches during that time. Similar sea-level declines have been recorded in Nauru and the Solomon Islands. (London Telegraph, 6 Aug 2000)

Tuvalu somehow “lost” those record, and has started the measurement process again.

Update:

Tuvalu sea levels STILL falling

4 Dec 09 - All this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, says Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change.

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, Mörner launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. (italics added)

If there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner. His findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
See Rising sea levels 'the greatest lie ever told'

[Shuffler]

Are you sure?  They sound more like science fact.  These are the facts that NASA put gag orders on their scientists to not alarm the public of global warming.

1) melting polar ice resulting in raising of sea level and cooling of certain water current streams
    NASA and NOA and other maritime organizations know about it but will take 2 to 3 centuries to happen
    Hollywood make movies on those premises.

2) Carribean Sea and Gulf of Mexico has been recorded with higher water temperature by the scientists
    scientists have predicted that more powerful and more frequent hurricanes will result in the next 25 years
    
3) The quadrupling of world's population to 7 billion currently and projected to 12-14 billion in next 50 years
    This along with de-forestation, resources dwindling, and plankton being reduced will lead to problems
     a) fresh water and food shortages
     b) rising levels of carbon dioxide without enough plants and trees to turn back to oxygen
     c) plankton dies and beging the breakdown of marine ecosystems leading to land ecosystem failures
     d) goverments will lose all control of social services and control of territories to crime and warlords


These are real world problems happening now in most of 3rd world nations in Africa, Asia, and South America in regards to military dictatorships and ethnic cleansing.  These are blueprints to what is yet to come in the next 50 to 100 years unless cheap and re-usable energy sources are discovered.  Fossil fuels are now in the category of being "finite" until technology is created to get to the fossil fuels underneath the tundra of Siberia and the continent of Anatartica.

The weather problems associated with global warming are just now being realized.  However, we know what needs to be done but it still revolves around one premise.  This will happen long after I'm dead, so why should I care?  That's the point of view of many people in government who have to worry about re-election.

I, myself, will be dead around 2060 or so.  At that time, I'll be 87 years old relying on an oxygen mask.  Not for my lungs since I don't smoke. It will be from lack of global oxygen falling to 18% or lower.  I'll be eating food that will be processed from non-meat, non-fruit, non-vegetable, and non-dairy sources but from labratory created food to contain protein and carb substances.  I'll be running the risk of so called "social programs" to end the life of elderly people to ease the burden on the existing younger population from either government, military, or religious leaders.  

Global warming is a problem.  Mother nature always finds a way to correct any problems.  Humans make too many problems too fast before Mother Earth can fix them.

Then again, this could all be a bunch of hogwash and nothing will happen and I can look forward to chasing the nurses in the retirement home in my levitating chair with thrusters!!!!!!!!
        

The effect humans have on earth are exteremely small in regards to the big picture. The earth has had many events that dwarf anything humans have done and she keeps on going. Alarmist love pointing at anything they can reap monetary reward from.

[MORAY37]

As the debate rages here.....In the real world...

Both maps are combined land/sea temps... satellite, remote and direct observations

Global Highlights

    * The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September 2009 was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th Century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F). This was the second warmest September on record, behind 2005, and the 33rd consecutive September with a global temperature above the 20th Century average. The last below-average September occurred in 1976.
    * The global land surface temperature for September 2009 was 0.97°C (1.75°F) above the 20th Century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), and ranked as the second warmest September on record, also behind 2005.
    * The worldwide ocean temperature tied with 2004 as the fifth warmest September on record, 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 20th Century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F). Warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures were widespread, particularly in lower latitudes. The near-Antarctic southern ocean and the Gulf of Alaska featured notable cooler-than-average temperatures.
    * For the year to date, the global combined land and ocean surface temperature of 14.7°C (58.5°F) was the sixth-warmest January-through-September period on record. This value is 0.55°C (0.99°F) above the 20th Century average.
    * A weak El Niño persisted across the equatorial Pacific Ocean during September. Sea surface temperature observations in the equatorial Pacific Ocean during the month remained above average. According to NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, El Niño is expected to strengthen and last through the Northern Hemisphere winter of 2009-2010.

Global Highlights

    * The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for October 2009 was the sixth warmest on record, with an anomaly of 0.57°C (1.03°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F).
    * The global land surface temperature for October 2009 was 0.82°C (1.48°F) above the 20th century average of 9.3°C (48.7°F), and ranked as the sixth warmest October on record.
    * The worldwide ocean temperature was the fifth warmest October on record, with an anomaly of 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 20th century average of 15.9°C (60.6°F).
    * For the year to date, the global combined land and ocean surface temperature of 14.7 °C (58.4 °F) tied with 2007 as the fifth-warmest January-through-October period on record. This value is 0.56°C (1.01°F) above the 20th century average.

The 85% of the planet is above average, including oceanic temps (historically lagging).

This with the sun still barely "on".  (this solar cycle is disturbingly inactive, and the solar output is way down.)

Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 0 days
2009 total: 259 days (75%)
Since 2004: 770 days
Typical Solar Min: 485 days
www.spaceweather.com

[Angus]

your first statement above is true. the rest? not so true.

oil is not fossil fuel. it is indeed renewable.

Renewable? If you refer to fossil oil, you'd better get prepared for some patience. Say some odd MILLIONS of years...
(I wonder if you understand at all what I refer to)

[sluggish]

Renewable? If you refer to fossil oil, you'd better get prepared for some patience. Say some odd MILLIONS of years...
(I wonder if you understand at all what I refer to)

A rather large minority do not believe that oil is rotted dinosaurs.  Silly, huh?

[batch]

As the debate rages here.....In the real world...

Both maps are combined land/sea temps... satellite, remote and direct observations

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The 85% of the planet is above average, including oceanic temps (historically lagging).

This with the sun still barely "on".  (this solar cycle is disturbingly inactive, and the solar output is way down.)
(Image removed from quote.)

someone please buy this "scientist" a dictionary so he can lookup the word ANOMALIES.....

then buy him an ink pen........ Im sure his are dry from all the grant applications

[CAP1]

A rather large minority do not believe that oil is rotted dinosaurs.  Silly, huh?

unless all the dinosaurs went to what is now saudi arabia to die.

[MORAY37]

someone please buy this "scientist" a dictionary so he can lookup the word ANOMALIES.....

then buy him an ink pen........ Im sure his are dry from all the grant applications

Seriously...when all you can manage are attacks on me, and no meaningful contribution nor even an attempt to refute my post....you've already lost.

[Motherland]

someone please buy this "scientist" a dictionary so he can lookup the word ANOMALIES.....

then buy him an ink pen........ Im sure his are dry from all the grant applications

Just so I know I'm understanding the chart correctly... it's pointing out average temperatures for those areas that are anomalies compared to the average temperature from 1971-2000? Or the entire century?

[Shuffler]

lol Wonder what the scare mongers will do when the earth's poles shift. They have in the past.