Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Anaxogoras]

"Elitism" is an empty accusation these days when our nation is drowning in bellicose egalitarianism...

[caldera]

"Elitism" is an empty accusation these days when our nation is drowning in bellicose egalitarianism...

Don't remember ever hearing bellicose.  I had to look it up.  Heavy words are so likely thrown. 

[Mister Fork]

Strange - 2009 was one of the coldest years on record for Western Canada and this decade has also been unusually cold for Canada.  The arctic has had some warm summers, but the rest of us are freezing our butz off in the summer time.  Then again, no one has been accurately recording temperatures in Canada for more than 100 years.  Even getting temperatures out of old ice is still a 'best guess' science.

How about the mass consumption of our natural resources and the pollution that it creates be the #1 topic at Copenhagen?  Not this trade-carbon-credits money baloney.

[MORAY37]

My favorite being the Troglodytes troglodytes or uncommonly the Troglodytes troglodaes...

No I think you meant the slang definition the way you used it. Calling someone a small brown wren is just not done.  

Someone is quick.    I was going to put a picture back there, but figured it would be lost in translation (how elitist, I know) ...it had me laughing though.  Very nice, sir  .  This is why I like our debates.


Sure is a bad thing.... being called a small brown wren.     It's also a geeky science joke that's been around a loong time.

[MORAY37]

Like I said, you reek of elitism.  Add hypocrite as well.   You reject personal attacks as showing signs of loss when that is what you had previously resorted to.  That is all I have pointed out.  Your responses only magnify your high opinion of yourself and enormous disdain for all who would be so bold as to disagree.

No, I responded to his repeated attacks to me with facts, until it got to the point that it was no longer even close to any form of debate.... it was only his repeated vehement attacks on me personally.  If the only thing he understands is that... then I'll reference him as this.

Troglodytes troglodytes

And then watch as you (and anyone else that comes running.... they always do when one of their own is getting trounced)  scream foul.... err fowl?    Entertaining at the least.  Keep it up.

[DMBEAR]

Carry on enlightened ones.  The rest of us lemmings are waiting for you to save us with your graphs and your "facts" that will obviously lead to Man controlling the Earth's environment.  After all, Earth is better off exactly how it is, right? 

When you get that thermostat working let us know so we can bow to you for saving us from ourselves.

Good luck with all that.   

[batch]

Im still waiting for you to post a fact.... all youve posted so far is the same crap thats already been proven false time and again.......

as I said in an earlier post.......... you certainly never let facts get in the way of your conclusions

the only thing I did was point out your false information ......and obviously that hit a little too close to home for you....... guess we know who else is mooching a living off of this BS

[MORAY37]

Carry on enlightened ones.  The rest of us lemmings are waiting for you to save us with your graphs and your "facts" that will obviously lead to Man controlling the Earth's environment.  After all, Earth is better off exactly how it is, right?  

When you get that thermostat working let us know so we can bow to you for saving us from ourselves.

Good luck with all that.  

Cmon, an obvious John Mayer fanatic such as yourself, really can't be so bitter.

[Dadsguns]

So, has anyone figured it out yet?


Is the world gonna end from Global Warming as they say?  


Or is it all bologna?  





Oh wait, its a bird, its a plane, No, ....... its Carbon Man!!!!

[DMBEAR]

In their minds they've figured it out and ended the debate.  All who are not convinced or even question whether MMGW is real or not are labeled as Pseudoskeptics by them.

You either believe what they claim is fact, or you are just closed minded.

Thats why they have such a problem with anyone even debating.  To them, there is no debate.

[MORAY37]

In their minds they've figured it out and ended the debate.  All who are not convinced or even question whether MMGW is real or not are labeled as Pseudoskeptics by them.

You either believe what they claim is fact, or you are just closed minded.

Thats why they have such a problem with anyone even debating.  To them, there is no debate.

No. Bring some real evidence to the table.  Then we'll debate it.  

Sitting here calling me names without even attempting to disprove my postings with your supposed "facts" is not debating.  In fact, you've brought absolutely zero to this discussion, besides deriding me personally, which gets you applause from the peanut gallery, but in reality, shows how little you understand the topic, or how much time you've even spent doing any research, let alone back-checking any of it.

And again, I'm not even really concerned about it.  We'll face ecosystem collapse from ocean acidification (FROM CO2)  long before AGW is strong enough to affect human living conditions.  

The problem is, you have nothing to debate with.  Zero.  The empirical data is there.  The historical data is there.  Stop having your looney croney "scientists"  at EXXON-MOBIL tell you it isn't, and open a few books up to understand.   Usually, and unfortunately, they're the books without pictures.

[DMBEAR]

It is a fact that the climate has changed at higher rates than what it has in the last 300 years of mans machines and his love of methane producing ranches.

It is also a fact that some alarmists will isolate certain fluctuations over periods of time to persuade people into believing their theories as facts.

[MORAY37]

So, has anyone figured it out yet?


Is the world gonna end from Global Warming as they say?  

No, it will not.  

The species that are already adapted for a changed climate will thrive, while those that aren't, will die.  It's happened before, it will happen again.  It's just this time the culprit is one of the species residing upon the planet, and not a shift in solar radiance or cosmic rays or orbital mechanics (the usual culprits).  (We happen to live in one of the quietest times in the history of the solar system, in between arms of the galaxy)

[MORAY37]

It is a fact that the climate has changed at higher rates than what it has in the last 300 years of mans machines and his love of methane producing ranches.

It is also a fact that some alarmists will isolate certain fluctuations over periods of time to persuade people into believing their theories as facts.

While your claim is true, that the "climate has changed at higher rates....etc etc etc", there is no evidence supporting the forcing of climate now based upon those historic changes. 

There is a documented lowering in solar irradiance.   (It's not the sun.)
There is a documented understanding of orbital mechanics. (It's not the earth's current position relative to the sun)
There is not a documented event that supports a change in Earth's climate.  (Volcanism is lower, and there hasn't been an impact in a few thousand years)
Background cosmic radiation, X an Gamma rays, has maintained a lower than historical norm for thousands of years.  (We're in between arms in our galaxy now, in some of the most peaceful areas this solar system has ever been through)

All of that "faster climate change" you noted has been documented to known and understood methods.

[DMBEAR]

While your claim is true, that the "climate has changed at higher rates....etc etc etc", there is no evidence supporting the forcing of climate now based upon those historic changes. 

There is a documented lowering in solar irradiance.   (It's not the sun.)
There is a documented understanding of orbital mechanics. (It's not the earth's current position relative to the sun)
There is not a documented event that supports a change in Earth's climate.  (Volcanism is lower, and there hasn't been an impact in a few thousand years)
Background cosmic radiation, X an Gamma rays, has maintained a lower than historical norm for thousands of years.  (We're in between arms in our galaxy now, in some of the most peaceful areas this solar system has ever been through)

All of that "faster climate change" you noted has been documented to known and understood methods.

Assuming that we know all of the causes of those historic changes is something you seem comfortable with.  I do not.  Whether they were solar, core related, cosmic, axis related, or a combination of many factors (as I suspect) we can only specualte.  I do know one thing.  Man did not cause them.