Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[CAP1]

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
    
               William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)


"I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
                    James Boswell (1740 - 1795)


Both of which are extremely fitting.

so......now, you're resorting to name calling?


i'd say this one is cooked. 

[CAP1]

Would it matter to defeat them, and then be proven wrong yourself?

To frame a debate such as this with winners and losers is idiotic.  No matter who is right, we all know that this species is affecting the planet. We need to become much better stewards to the ball of dust we sprung up on, no matter what.  

If you need a single example of sapiens having an effect upon the planet, look no farther than the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.
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you are correct sir.... on the bolded line......but again, now you're trying to change the subject.......going back to pollution again.

 mayhaps we should start a global pollution thread for you and penguin?

[MORAY37]

so......now, you're resorting to name calling?


i'd say this one is cooked.  

Nope.  Those are quotes, not names.  It is impossible to use them in the manner you are implying.

[MORAY37]

you are correct sir.... on the bolded line......but again, now you're trying to change the subject.......going back to pollution again.

 mayhaps we should start a global pollution thread for you and penguin?

Nope.  I was refuting the all encompassing dogma that denialists continually spout... "man can't do anything to the planet, and has no effect upon it".

Obviously you misunderstood this.  Perhaps I should be more clear for you in the future.

[CAP1]

Nope.  I was refuting the all encompassing dogma that denialists continually spout... "man can't do anything to the planet, and has no effect upon it".

Obviously you misunderstood this.

no.....no one ever said we can't do anything to affect the planet.......we all keep sayingh that man cannot affect the climate. big difference.

Nope.  Those are quotes, not names.  It is impossible to use them in the manner you are implying.

nice try.....you used quotes to do it...same thing. 

[MORAY37]

no.....no one ever said we can't do anything to affect the planet.......we all keep sayingh that man cannot affect the climate. big difference.

nice try.....you used quotes to do it...same thing.  

You must realize it is completely illogical to state man can have an effect upon this planet as a whole.....yet state we cannot affect its' climate within the same breath.

I'm incredulous you could state such a thing and believe it true.

As a sidenote, I'm amused you are taking those quotes so personally.  I directed neither of them at either side of this debate specifically.  Interesting you take them as insulting.  

[Flipperk]

You must realize it is completely illogical to state man can have an effect upon this planet as a whole.....yet state we cannot affect its' climate.

I'm incredulous you could state such a thing and believe it true.

As a sidenote, I'm amused you are taking those quotes so personally.  I directed neither of them at either of this debate specifically.  Interesting you take them as insulting.  

Jeez moray, I would just give up...theres no convincing them so why try?

If the planet is going to hell then at least you know that you will the only one left alive

[CAP1]

You must realize it is completely illogical to state man can have an effect upon this planet as a whole.....yet state we cannot affect its' climate.

I'm incredulous you could state such a thing and believe it true.

As a sidenote, I'm amused you are taking those quotes so personally.  I directed neither of them at either side of this debate specifically.  Interesting you take them as insulting.  

i'm not taking anything in this thread personally. i simply interpreted those quotes to be referring to those that do not believe in global warming as ignorant.

 our local environments...yes.....we can pollute them, and should clean up. pollution though, does not change the weather patterns.

[MORAY37]

i'm not taking anything in this thread personally. i simply interpreted those quotes to be referring to those that do not believe in global warming as ignorant.

 our local environments...yes.....we can pollute them, and should clean up. pollution though, does not change the weather patterns.

You still miss the illogical stance your argument sits upon.

[E25280]

You still miss the illogical stance your argument sits upon.

It isn't illogical at all.  We could simultaneously take bulldozers to every city on earth, pluck every daisy from every field, kill all the California Condors, and hunt all the whales to extinction. . . .

And it wouldn't make one iota difference to the Earth's climate.

[MORAY37]

It isn't illogical at all.  We could simultaneously take bulldozers to every city on earth, pluck every daisy from every field, kill all the California Condors, and hunt all the whales to extinction. . . .

And it wouldn't make one iota difference to the Earth's climate.

Of course it would.  That's the point. 

[Angus]

well, from 1945 on it was(still is?) forming in greenland. at least the portion where the lost squadron landed.
http://b-29s-over-korea.com/lost_squadron/lost_squadron.html

 i'm sure, that as it formed in that area, that it was receding in another area(s).

LOL, it's receeding. Read up. Or just go there. I did, but I live close. Actually a B17 crashed near to where I live and is now already through the glacier. I saw it on the closest farm, right outside the shed. B17G I think. That Glacier is now "digesting" such items quite well.
Next time try to tell me that the Icelandic glaciers are growing....
A helping link...

[Angus]

It isn't illogical at all.  We could simultaneously take bulldozers to every city on earth, pluck every daisy from every field, kill all the California Condors, and hunt all the whales to extinction. . . .

And it wouldn't make one iota difference to the Earth's climate.

We could however nook it into a winter oblivian....

[E25280]

Of course it would.  That's the point. 

Describe how it would.

[Bodhi]

WRONG.

ON ALL COUNTS.

How so?  The CRU has been proven to have cooked their data.  Al Gore has been proved to have attempted to mislead and misrepresenting data regarding global warming, it's not like he stands to benefit from legislation passed...  Many politicians on the left are also neck deep in business deals that will only get better if the farce is continued.

You pushing the GW agenda forward while ignoring the vast amounts of improperly conducted science and outright lies perpetrated about the impact of GW is no more than another hand raised in support.