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Offline bj229r

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2009, 05:12:58 PM »
I'm still scratching my head about our armed forces going to the M9 Baretta and not keeping the .45 ACP as their preferred sidearm.
Well...military has been using a rifle for some 40+ years that often fails to knock an opponent down, makes sense they be issued a sidearm with similar ability
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2009, 06:03:37 PM »
I'm sure Strip has seen his share of dings occurring at the range. Spend enough time on an indoor a pistol range, and you'll get dinged a few times. That's why shooting glasses are a must.


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I was shooting ISPC style at a local indoor range with an outdated backstop, nothing big but better systems were out there. I was shooting away with my mom about 20 ft behind and the left of me. Of course single woman, bunch of old rich guys, she was not lonely. As we score my run I noticed she had four or five guys standing around her. When we are done I asked her what was that all about? She says,"You shot me!", my reply was wtf? I guess one of the rounds bounced back and hit her in the collar bone. The back stop was 40 feet beyond me, it hit her enough to leave a red mark. The funny part, shes sees a complete round and declares to them that I shot her. One of the more observant fellows saw the lead hit the ground afterwards. It was the size of a silver dollar and nearly perfectly flat. To this day she still gives me a hard time about that one. Thankfully we wear safety glasses, I dont wish to think about what could have happened.

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #137 on: December 05, 2009, 06:11:47 PM »
My personal favorite, not to make light out of somebody in pain but you will love this.

Every now and then a girl friend or wife would tag along with one of the shooters. Some being rather attractive would wear low cut tops and show a little cleavage. Well, quite often the guys would give them a hard time about not shooting and they would make a run. Now if an attractive blonde wearing three mags and a speed holster doesnt get you going what will? Of course most weren't the best shooters but I wouldn't wanna be downrange from them non the less. Sometimes they would have us start close to a wall were hot brass would hit the wall. Well, a perfect ricochet later, you guessed it, the hot boob dance. Brass down the front of the shirt, which isnt on common even for guys wearing full T-shirts. So here they are holding a gun in one hand, the other digging around the bra area. Needless to say the smart ones came back with turtlenecks, much to the chagrin of the other shooters.

Another favorite...the ole hot brass down the top of the safety glasses. Only took me once to cure that one.....

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2009, 12:54:20 AM »
The best bounce-back I've experienced so far...

I built this cannon that shot 1" lead balls.  A miniature replica of a 6# civil war gun, with a 40# barrel and 18" diameter wheels.  Pretty sweet little toy.  A friend built one too, but his was bigger, and shot concrete-filled beer cans.  One day a bunch of us were shooting pumpkins on a rifle range, and he had a can that he'd filled with rubber instead of concrete.  Shooting at 100 yards, he hit the berm which was constructed of railroad ties.  The empty aluminum husk fell off the berm, and the rubber can flew back about 4-5ft above our heads, hit the ground behind us, and bounced over the spectators and family members behind us.  Pretty spectacular!  We never saw it coming back, but the people behind us did.  Made us really think about what materials we use for projectiles.  The rubber can was barely scuffed.  I have a few friends that fire cannons using golf balls; I don't even want to be around when they do that.  I can imagine those bouncing very well...
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2009, 09:44:42 AM »
Well, it wasn't.

Why would anyone make a near-absolute statement without having experienced the subject matter?  If one has not experienced the subject matter, who is he to comment on it?  If one does not know, the only reason to be claiming expertise, so far as I can tell, is an unfortunate marriage of stupidity and self-perceived inferiority.

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While I don't want to imply that you're lying, I still find that I have a hard time believing that a 9mm FMJ won't penetrate every time at normal pistol ranges.

You have, and may at your leisure, imply that I am lying.  As previously stated, whether or not you accept my statement as accurate has not the slightest impact on my day.

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Perhaps a HP will expand when hitting the laminated glass and fail to penetrate.  I don't know.

I don't know, either.  I don't know because I have not fired partially-jacketed ammunition at vehicle windshields.  I am therefore unfit to comment on the issue; noting the lack of experience.

I have, however, fired fully-jacketed ammunition at vehicle windshields.  Noting the corresponding lack of ignorance with respect to the subject matter, I feel qualified to make the statement; at the height of a typical human shoulder, both while standing and while crouching, the flight path of a standard-load 9x19 FMJ round, from a distance of approximately 50 yards, when fired at the windshield(s) of typical, four-door American sedans from the late 1960's, mid-1970's and early 1980's will result, more often that not, in the subject bullet ricocheting off the windshield without penetrating the glass. 

In consideration of this, I re-read the final three words of your post.  Those words being the case, I recommend that you consider re-reading the first three sentences of mine.

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2009, 11:19:24 AM »
Just to toss in my .02 on the matter...  I also have had an opportunity to fire at a car windshield.  I also have experienced ricochet rather then penetraion with 9mm and .380 Auto...

Windshields are a very tough.

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2009, 12:24:15 PM »
Saurdaukar,

At 50 yards from a kneeling shooting height the angle of the window is great with respect to the flight path. I fired from 20 yards standing at a passenger vehicle with a rather steep window. The angle of shooting can make or break both sides of this story, heck even the window manufacture can influence this. Most of the windows I shot through or at were older models out of the junk yard. A newer windshield is actually factored into the structural integrity of crash calculations.

(Of course all of this was done at a safe and secure firing range.....nothing malicous.)

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2009, 09:24:52 PM »
No disagreement at all.  I think the angle probably is the most important variable.

This is why I have attempted to make very clear to Mr. Hard that my statements assume one is not standing on the hood and firing straight into the windshield from a distance of three feet.  In that sort of situation, my expectation of penetration is greatly increased.  However, since a significant portion of the discussion involved "real world" circumstances, I think thatthe corresponding flight paths, distances and angles would make a failure to penetrate far more likely.