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Offline BiPoLaR

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2009, 05:44:39 PM »
Great... since I could swear I have seen where Hitech himself said this was impossible why dont you take Hitech himself away from his busy schedule and prove to him you can collide any time you want? Then post the film for us all to see.  :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2009, 05:46:50 PM »
Sounds like random space anomalies and not an acquired ability.  :rolleyes:

The only way to prove this is with Hitech.  :D

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2009, 05:50:25 PM »
No offense Shuffler but...what exactly is the improvement if someone is fighting your fight? There isn't one person in this game that hasn't lost a dogfight even using all of his "skillz" and some uber ride. If 2 Spixteens want to mix it up that's great but it's rarely that kind of situation...so the person who feels as if he is at some sort of disadvantage due to either his knowledge and ability in executing ACM or the plane he chose to fly...should fight on whatever terms he feels are appropriate, not yours. If you want to force your fight on him, there are ways other than calling implying he has a lack of skill just because he doesn't want to fight on your terms.



The key to the whole thing in my mind is we have unlimited do-overs.  The only way you learn the limits of your ability and the bird you fly, is to push it, not run from it.   That's all Shuff is saying.  Most 51D drivers limit what they do.  But there are a few that have learned to push it to the edge and they can knife fight with just about anyone.  Same goes for the Jug drivers.

Because there is absolutely no risk to engaging in a fight, the reward is testing you ability.

If you limit yourself because you want to 'live', so be it.  But don't expect folks to be impressed when it proves nothing in terms of ability.

If it were a one life game, then I could see it.  In Scenarios I'll fly it differently because you do get limited lives.  To me the fun of the MA is putting myself into situations that make me work for it.  OK so I die often.  But I think I can move my old 38G pretty well now against most folks in the game.

The artificial rewards in the game like points, rank, landed kills messages etc, promote the idea of 'living' and for many folks is how they rate their cartoon pilot skills.  That's fine if that's how they want to do it.  I'd rather spend my limited AH time mixing it up and testing my cartoon pilot skills, or lack therof, by fighting, regardless of the odds.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2009, 05:50:29 PM »
Sounds like random space anomalies and not an acquired ability.  :rolleyes:

The only way to prove this is with Hitech.  :D

Think about it, if a plane is on auto climb, he is going to be slightly ahead of where you see him on your end.  If he has a 200ms and you have a 200ms.  He is ~400ms in front of his same trajectory of where you see him.  If you point your nose for that spot, i.e. zoom above and in front and narrowly miss him on your end, you will ram the heck out of him on his end.  This would actually have practical use in the Ar234 since it is fast and has no front guns (ask pervert  :lol) but other than that, if you are good enough to angle your plane for narrow misses, you are good enough to kill him with your guns.  Also, if your enemy sees you coming all he has to do is move and your 'intentional ram' is spoiled.  I'm fairly certain HiTech would agree with me, although like I said, other than this one situation, intentional ramming is near impossible with zero practicality.

Edit: And when I say intentional ramming, I speak with the assumption that the rammer is avoiding the ram on his end.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2009, 06:05:04 PM »
Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.

Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.

Some things change, some things never do.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2009, 06:13:11 PM »
Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.

Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.

Some things change, some things never do.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2009, 06:24:02 PM »
You are wrong about one thing.  It was never the nubes or the desperate.  It has always been the so called vets.  Pay attention and you will see there is always one of them 2 or 3 plains back waiting for the faster ones to engage you


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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2009, 07:10:12 PM »
 But I think I can move my old 38G pretty well now against most folks in the game.


38G is teh  UBER! not to troublesome to move around!!   :aok

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2009, 07:17:58 PM »
Well one thing I see and it never seems to change is the ability to excel at the game and then announce to everyone else how good I am and how bad the opposition is.  I'm sure this breeds good will among the other players in the game.  Would it not serve the community better as a whole to lend assistance and pass on ones skills to others by offering your help.  Let them know what they did right first.  It might make a person more open to, not criticism, but a critique of areas they can improve on.  Oh and if those that think they are as good as they think they are, I'm sure they would be willing to invite some of these unworthy minions to a training session in the TA so they can improve.  It might surprise you that by passing on your skills to others the game might be improved over time, and you fights might become more enjoyable.

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Probably the 2 most honest quotes I have read in this thread to this point.  I have in fact asked for an opinion from Soulyss a couple times, and have always recieved a response  :salute    I can say the same for quite a few of the 38 jocks in game actually.

Wagger I really like the idea behind what you are saying, but have never had it happen during my short time in game, would like to see it, and have actually seen it as of late in MW, just never been on the recieving end.   So far as the game reaching new lows,  yea maybe in some sense, but it seems to me tha the BBS is the place reaching the new lows.   How often is something positive posted here, its always a bit@h thread about this or that.  

Now my recent problem is I have switched rides, due to my lack of reaction between my brain and hands, and just being hamfisted  :joystick: in general, so does anyone have tips on knife fighting a 51B?   :x    


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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2009, 09:21:03 PM »

Probably the 2 most honest quotes I have read in this thread to this point.  I have in fact asked for an opinion from Soulyss a couple times, and have always recieved a response  :salute    I can say the same for quite a few of the 38 jocks in game actually.

Wagger I really like the idea behind what you are saying, but have never had it happen during my short time in game, would like to see it, and have actually seen it as of late in MW, just never been on the recieving end.   So far as the game reaching new lows,  yea maybe in some sense, but it seems to me tha the BBS is the place reaching the new lows.   How often is something positive posted here, its always a bit@h thread about this or that.  

Now my recent problem is I have switched rides, due to my lack of reaction between my brain and hands, and just being hamfisted  :joystick: in general, so does anyone have tips on knife fighting a 51B?   :x    


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I try to ask questions of anyone I get beat by, and to discuss the fight as well.  That's one of the ways I try to learn, and make some virtual friends.  You can meet some good guys that way, and learn something new, and improve your own game to boot!  It's win/win as far as I'm concerned.  I love that stuff. 

My playing time has been somewhat limited lately, but I still manage to find good 1v1s a lot of the time.  Maybe it's because I'm pretty mediocre, so I don't have to have a real hot stick to be able to give me a good fight.  I see that weak behavior all the time, the ack running and ganging and picking and all that, but it's not really that big a deal.  Diamond miners see mostly rocks, but it's the diamonds that make it all worthwhile. 
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2009, 09:39:26 PM »
Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.

Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.

Some things change, some things never do.

generally, i thank people for doing tht, and then tell em that X kills were proxies.

 i rarely vulch......
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2009, 10:09:05 PM »
In simple terms,

if you run from fights all you learn is how to run.
if you deliberately HO, all you learn is how to HO.

If you try some of the "pilot sh@t" you learn what works sometimes and what doesn't work.

after 10+ years, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesnt in a given situation.

a fight in anything but the dueling arena is NOT a duel and assuming it is just plain dumb.


it takes great deal of smarts to know when you CAN run from a fight once that fight has started and once you have lost the advantage you run away until you regain the advantage.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2009, 03:10:24 AM »
Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.

Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.

Some things change, some things never do.

You vultch shades? Are you coming out with this fresh or is this well known already? I mean it has to assumed by a few since you fly P-38s and have a k/d way above average but... I would have given you the benefit of a doubt.









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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2009, 03:16:48 AM »
Think about it, if a plane is on auto climb, he is going to be slightly ahead of where you see him on your end.  If he has a 200ms and you have a 200ms.  He is ~400ms in front of his same trajectory of where you see him.  If you point your nose for that spot, i.e. zoom above and in front and narrowly miss him on your end, you will ram the heck out of him on his end.  This would actually have practical use in the Ar234 since it is fast and has no front guns (ask pervert  :lol) but other than that, if you are good enough to angle your plane for narrow misses, you are good enough to kill him with your guns.  Also, if your enemy sees you coming all he has to do is move and your 'intentional ram' is spoiled.  I'm fairly certain HiTech would agree with me, although like I said, other than this one situation, intentional ramming is near impossible with zero practicality.

Edit: And when I say intentional ramming, I speak with the assumption that the rammer is avoiding the ram on his end.

I understand what you are saying but of course when I say its impossible I am not talking about auto-anything because that is setting preconditions upon what should be a random situation. I believe the comment was 'whether you want me to or not'... that right there implies the con is trying to avoid the collision. So grab Hitech (if he has the time) and show him how you can force this collision and then show us all the film.

After your done I bet Bipolar has a lot more brown on him than just his nose because he is full of it on this one.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2009, 03:19:03 AM »
You are more than welcome to fly with me anytime you wish.

Why would I fly with you? I squelch you everytime I see your online so I dont have to listen to your screams.

You got that film yet?  :D
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