So you think 911 was a good effort then and all those NYFD firefighters deserved to die.
Oh, look, a false comparision, wrapping yourself in the flag, and calling me a terrorist sympathizer to boot. ("So you think 911 was a good effort," etc.) You might wanna throttle back your righteous indignation there friend, before you say something you don't mean.
As for the discussion of if the whaler rammed the Sea Shepard's boat, I posit that the weight of evidence points to a staged event by Sea Shepard: (Sources taken from a
well sourced Wikipedia article:1.
Sea Shepard has a well-documented history of actively seeking violent confrontation, including using ramming as a technique:a. Sea Shepherd spent part of 1979 hunting for the whaling ship Sierra which was notorious for having undetermined ownership, ignoring whaling agreements, hunting indiscriminately, and using non-explosive harpoons.[78]
To increase the effect of a ramming the bow of the Sea Shepherd was filled with approximately 100 tonnes of cement. In July, the Sierra was found off the port of Oporto, Portugal. Sea Shepherd put non-essential crew ashore and manned by three crew (Paul Watson, Peter Woof, and Jerry Doran), returned to ram and cripple the Sierra.b. While in Lisbon in February 1980,
the Sierra was sunk with limpet mines.[81] The Sierra's chief engineer, Luis Mendes, told reporters that he believed "the blast was set by crew members of the Sea Shepherd."[81]
In a 2004 interview Paul Watson said, "Meanwhile, the Sierra had been repaired and was ready to return to sea. It never did so:
on February 6, 1980, my crew blew the bottom out of her and permanently ended her career. We traded a ship for a ship, but it was a great trade because we also traded our ship for the lives of hundreds of whales."[82]
I want you to take SPECIAL NOTE of Paul Watson claiming responsibility for the LIMPET MINING OF A SHIP IN HARBOR TO ENSURE IT'S DESTRUCTION. Apparently they learned from the French.
c.
In April 1980, explosives were used to sink the whalers Isba I and Isba II in Vigo, Spain. Watson said that the boats were "victims of magnetic mines, one of them homemade, which had been planted by the same trio that destroyed the Sierra."[83] Sea Shepherd does show these vessels on the tally of vessels "sunk" on the side of the Farley Mowat and the back of some Sea Shepherd shirts. The whalers Susan and Theresa are also shown on these tallies. No one was injured during the attacks.[33]
TWO MORE INCIDENTS of self-admittedly using explosives to sink civilian fishing vessels.
d.
In the summer of 1982, Watson offered a reporter an exclusive story on the group's plan to ram a Russian vessel. The reporter informed authorities and the ramming did not take place.e. Between December 2005 and January 2006, a crew of 43 aboard the Farley Mowat attempted to stop the Japanese whaling fleet in the Southern Ocean. During the campaign, the Farley Mowat 'sideswiped' a Japanese supply ship called the Oriental Bluebird. No damage or injuries were reported.[119]
New Zealand Conservation Minister Chris Carter criticized Sea Shepherd as irresponsible for using tactics such as running into the other vessel with a "can opener" device, a seven-foot steel blade on the starboard bow designed to damage the hull of an enemy ship.2.
Despite the above, Sea Shepard has a history of blaming others for trying to attack them to stir up media sympathy:a. Watson's public relations savvy is shown in an episode of Whale Wars
when he creates an international media "storm" after two crewmembers are detained on a Japanese whaling vessel.[31] In his book, Earthforce!,
Watson advises readers to make up facts and figures when they need to, and to deliver them to reporters confidently.[5] He also states that the "
truth is irrelevant" due the nature of mass media.[32]
b. On January 15, 2008, after attempting to entangle the whaling vessel's propeller and throwing containers of butyric acid onto the decks,[123]
two Sea Shepherd members, Benjamin Potts and Giles Lane, from the Sea Shepherd vessel MV Steve Irwin boarded the Japanese whaling vessel Yushin Maru No. 2 from a rigid-hulled inflatable boat. The pair were delivering a letter advising the Japanese that they were "whaling illegally"[124] with the hope of creating an international incident.[125] The Japanese responded by saying that the men would be held until Sea Shepherd stopped what they called "dangerous and illegal activities."[126]...
The crew of the Yushin Maru No. 2 detained the men for two days, before turning them over to the Australian customs vessel MV Oceanic Viking on the orders of Japanese authorities[124]; subsequently, the Steve Irwin rendezvoused with the Oceanic Viking and the two crewmembers were returned to Sea Shepherd.[123][127][128] On April 9,
first mate Peter Brown was described in a newspaper article as saying that the incident only became a hostage situation because the Sea Shepherd vessel left the scene, so the Japanese would be forced to hold the two crewmen longer. He was quoted as saying, "It's all giant street theater."[129]c. On 29 March 2008 the MV Farley Mowat and a Canadian Coast Guard ship collided.[73] The coast guard icebreaker had put itself between the Farley Mowat and a smaller seal hunter's boat.
The group says their vessel was rammed while the Canadian Fisheries and Oceans department says the coast guard ship was grazed by the Farley Mowat.[74]Note, accusation of a ramming. Does anybody here want to accuse the Canadian Coast Guard of deliberately trying to ram an unarmed vessel?
3.
Sea Shepard has engaged in multiple acts of sabotage.a.
In late December 1992, O.R.C.A Force (Sea Shepherd) sabotaged the whaler Nybraena in response to Norway's decision to resume commercial whaling of minke whales in 1993. Police found the vessel's engine room nearly full of water at her moorings in the Lofoten Islands but were able to keep it afloat.[91] b. In November 1986, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society claimed responsibility for actions against a whaling station in Hvalfjörður, Iceland. Computers were destroyed with sledgehammers and records were doused with acid.
The Hvalur 6 and Hvalur 7, two of the nation's four whaling ships, were sunk by opening their seaaxles while they were moored in Reykjavík harbour.[104][105][106]
This is, of course, in addition to the SINKINGS OF VESSELS WITH EXPLOSIVE CHARGES.
Given all of this... do you really think the Whaler is at fault in this latest incident?
