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Offline Saurdaukar

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #375 on: January 16, 2010, 05:54:03 PM »
Stglr, youre nuts.
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #376 on: January 16, 2010, 06:00:22 PM »
Stig can't find his arse with both hands!
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #377 on: January 16, 2010, 06:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on January 16, 2010, 11:40:27 AM
It would pretty much be common sense that the average player is nothing to be afraid of to an above average player.

Generally you do get better by moving on to more challenging things once you've mastered training wheels. You put lead weights on your ankles, so to speak. That goes for anything. In Aces High the way of doing this is to use more 'outdated' or 'obsolete' aircraft.

Not feared, but acknowledged at the very least. An average player is competition to another average player.
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #378 on: January 16, 2010, 06:48:05 PM »
Quote from: Stiglr on January 16, 2010, 05:20:54 PM
Never said you used any. Nor did I aim any comment at YOU specifically. I was talking about ACMs in general

All you have done is talk about things in 'general'.  You haven't made a specific point or used any example to prove anything yet.  I'm going to assume you are completely full of it until you prove otherwise.
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #379 on: January 17, 2010, 07:45:42 PM »
FYI : wasn't talking about "gaming" anything however much like other things no amount of "you plane doesn't matter at all" yelling i hear, i assure you it does ...

for the example of turning at 400mph nonsense that was posted ...

a) fights rarely stay above 300mph

b) even then some advantages are very apparent at 400mph and the pilot who works the fight to his "AIRCRAFT'S ADVANTAGES" is the one who will usually (almost always) emerge victorious ...

c) your aircrafts advantages and disadvantages define how you SHOULD approach the fight, if the game allows you to ignore those advantages and disadvantages it is not a very good sim IMO, and a pilot who insists such advantages and disadvantages do not matter sounds unreasonably boastful.

   
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #380 on: January 17, 2010, 11:05:57 PM »
Quote from: Stiglr on January 16, 2010, 03:39:37 PM
And @ Yeager: if you retreat from a situation where you're outnumbered or know that your chance of survival is slim, that's not necessarily "running"; that's flying smart. It's STAYING when you know you're gonna die that's gaming the game.
I am a proponent of egressing when the situaion clearly calls for it.  The act of endless circular noobal hordling furballing left my bones years ago so I tend to favor flying smart these days.  Its the challenge (oooops...bad word lately) of killing and surviving that gets me motivated.
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #381 on: January 17, 2010, 11:08:03 PM »
Quote from: thorsim on January 17, 2010, 07:45:42 PM


b) even then some advantages are very apparent at 400mph and the pilot who works the fight to his "AIRCRAFT'S ADVANTAGES" is the one who will usually (almost always) emerge victorious ...

  

So your agreeing... it is the pilot.

Quote from: Yeager on January 17, 2010, 11:05:57 PM
I am a proponent of egressing when the situaion clearly calls for it.  The act of endless circular noobal hordling furballing left my bones years ago so I tend to favor flying smart these days.  Its the challenge (oooops...bad word lately) of killing and surviving that gets me motivated.

Not challenging yourself is a challenge?
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #382 on: January 17, 2010, 11:13:28 PM »
Put Mario Andretti in a Yugo and he isn't going to win a race no matter how skilled he is.

Pretending "it's only the pilot" is a pretentious claim (one that serves to boost many an ego, IMO). It's not the plane either. It's how a pilot uses a plane. The plane amplifies the pilot (whatever his skill level may be).

Spits (in this game) amplify it a LOT, hence a lot of no-skill pilots get plenty of kills.

Put a pilot in a plane that stalls out when you bank 15 degrees, and another pilot in a plane that never stalls or spins, and I promise you it's not just the pilot skill that determines the fight.
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #383 on: January 17, 2010, 11:30:23 PM »
Quote from: Shuffler on January 17, 2010, 11:08:03 PM
Not challenging yourself is a challenge?
If I wasnt challenged on some level every time I play the game then I would not pay to play.  Being bored makes Yeager sleepy :joystick:
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #384 on: January 17, 2010, 11:34:54 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on January 17, 2010, 11:13:28 PM
Put Mario Andretti in a Yugo and he isn't going to win a race no matter how skilled he is.

Pretending "it's only the pilot" is a pretentious claim (one that serves to boost many an ego, IMO). It's not the plane either. It's how a pilot uses a plane. The plane amplifies the pilot (whatever his skill level may be).

Spits (in this game) amplify it a LOT, hence a lot of no-skill pilots get plenty of kills.

Put a pilot in a plane that stalls out when you bank 15 degrees, and another pilot in a plane that never stalls or spins, and I promise you it's not just the pilot skill that determines the fight.

Ayrton Senna placed 2nd at Season's End in a Cosworth powered Honda/McLaren, in 1993.   Bad analogy to have used Krusty.   Hell, Hudson won 3 NASCAR Championships too.   Never rule the underdog out, when you do, you'll get caught off guard.  
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #385 on: January 17, 2010, 11:51:37 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on January 17, 2010, 11:34:54 PM
Ayrton Senna placed 2nd at Season's End in a Cosworth powered Honda/McLaren, in 1993.   Bad analogy to have used Krusty.   Hell, Hudson won 3 NASCAR Championships too.   Never rule the underdog out, when you do, you'll get caught off guard. 

hehe you guys will post anything to be argumentative won't you ...

never in the annals of BBS history have so many gone so far off topic to make so few points ...
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #386 on: January 17, 2010, 11:58:47 PM »
Quote from: thorsim on January 17, 2010, 11:51:37 PM
hehe you guys will post anything to be argumentative won't you ...

never in the annals of BBS history have so many gone so far off topic to make so few points ...

Never in the annals of Aces High history will you ever do anything for the Community.   All you do is whimper and master the Ad Hominem.   Let me know when ou wish to Duel and improve your skills.  
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #387 on: January 18, 2010, 12:21:20 AM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on January 17, 2010, 11:58:47 PM
Never in the annals of Aces High history will you ever do anything for the Community.   All you do is whimper and master the Ad Hominem.   Let me know when ou wish to Duel and improve your skills.  

maybe when i finish a tour when my "killed by" is as high as my "kills in" ...

or when i finish a tour with a k/d lower than 2 ...

or some other numbers that bad, that would make me feel i am underperforming ...

maybe then i will feel the need ...
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #388 on: January 18, 2010, 01:10:44 AM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on January 17, 2010, 11:34:54 PM
Ayrton Senna placed 2nd at Season's End in a Cosworth powered Honda/McLaren, in 1993.   Bad analogy to have used Krusty.   Hell, Hudson won 3 NASCAR Championships too.   Never rule the underdog out, when you do, you'll get caught off guard.  


No, quite an apt analogy. A Hudson is hardly a Yugo. More like a Tempest compared to a A6M2.

You're throwing oranges into my apple comparison.

Just to refresh your memory, a Yugo:

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #389 on: January 18, 2010, 02:21:12 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on January 18, 2010, 01:10:44 AM
You're throwing oranges into my apple comparison.

Just to refresh your memory, a Yugo:
More of a lemon ...
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