Whats wrong with these screenshots?

[grizz441]

I'm oAXEo. And I won't really be bombing all the fh, but I do pork ords.

Aren't you one of those guys that flies by me to shoot the tower and then eats a tater as he turns back around to shoot down an ord bunker on suicide run #2?  Keep the target practice coming, makes those offline drones seem tough to kill.   

[Agent360]

Linking bombing hangers to immaturity is a STRETCH, a funny stretch especially for a Muppet. There is nothing wrong with bombing hangers. This game is not just for furballers where some get that idea I don't know.

Your missing the central point. Of course this game in not "just about furballers". It's not just about "base takers" either.

This is not REAL WW2 if you haven't noticed, so it does not matter how many bombers it took in real war.

Duh...its a "simulation" and HiTech has worked hard to incorporate "reality" as best it can. But in the end it is still a game that should offer fun. Many will point out irregularities in realty vs this "game". I simply made a "point" about the game. It is up to HiTech to balance the game play which what we are talking about.

This game is not perfect. It has room for improvement. Without these kinds of discussions improvement would never happen.

Also it is crazy to think that every bomber pilot who takes down FHs is griefing, sitting back and laughing that is a silly notion.

LOL, of course not every buff pilot is a griefer. We are talking about THOSE WHO ARE and commenting on WHY they do it.

It is not often that there is not a field with hangers up not 25 miles away, the fight moves a bit big deal.

A lot of this has to do with when people play. Some play a lot. Others only a few times a week. Each persons impression of the game at any specific point is dependant upon when the are playing and how often they play.

The MA should offer a balance of good action fighter jock play and base taking strategy play. An unblance in one or the other is not good for anyone.

[Agent360]

See Lusche post on page 5

Nice rebuttle.

 

[kilo2]

Your missing the central point. Of course this game in not "just about furballers". It's not just about "base takers" either.

Duh...its a "simulation" and HiTech has worked hard to incorporate "reality" as best it can. But in the end it is still a game that should offer fun. Many will point out irregularities in realty vs this "game". I simply made a "point" about the game. It is up to HiTech to balance the game play which what we are talking about.

This game is not perfect. It has room for improvement. Without these kinds of discussions improvement would never happen.

LOL, of course not every buff pilot is a griefer. We are talking about THOSE WHO ARE and commenting on WHY they do it.

A lot of this has to do with when people play. Some play a lot. Others only a few times a week. Each persons impression of the game at any specific point is dependant upon when the are playing and how often they play.

The MA should offer a balance of good action fighter jock play and base taking strategy play. An unblance in one or the other is not good for anyone.

It is all in how you look at it you are right. IMO it is not a problem. But that being said there is only one way that you could "fix" the problem and be fair and that is just to increase the hardness so not one bomber formation could take all the hangers down.

[mechanic]

Hey junky, you said that one la7 killing a goon is not the fault of the fighter hangers but the fault of the fighter cover for the mission. This I agree with.

Unfortunately by this standard, a set of bombers taking out the FH at a furball is not the fault of the bombers, but the fault of the furballers for not defending their base.

 

[Agent360]

Hey junky, you said that one la7 killing a goon is not the fault of the fighter hangers but the fault of the fighter cover for the mission. This I agree with.

Unfortunately by this standard, a set of bombers taking out the FH at a furball is not the fault of the bombers, but the fault of the furballers for not defending their base.

 

 

[MrAxe]

Aren't you one of those guys that flies by me to shoot the tower and then eats a tater as he turns back around to shoot down an ord bunker on suicide run #2?  Keep the target practice coming, makes those offline drones seem tough to kill.   

Very possible, you are probably one of those dead eyes I've come across. Hell, one time I no more than toggled my zoom and I was towered. I can't hit watermelon with those manned ackack. <S>

[stealth]

Look at the bottom picture wtg skyryder.

[TW9]

Hey junky, you said that one la7 killing a goon is not the fault of the fighter hangers but the fault of the fighter cover for the mission. This I agree with.

Unfortunately by this standard, a set of bombers taking out the FH at a furball is not the fault of the bombers, but the fault of the furballers for not defending their base.

 

I don't think you are grasping what he is saying. Let me try to put into focus for you. The furballers (furballers) have generally established CAP and have pushed the fight over or near enemy field. A few are even starting to de-ack while the less experienced (noobs) are going for vulches and taking oil and rad hits or dieing. Some check map and notice there's a few more opportunistic green dots otw....

Now this is where we stop.

Back in the day a few of those dots would be carrying eggs, and ask on range what needs hit upon arrival. If anyone answered they'd say the vh or call out gv's on the field otherwise they'd be asked to drop ord on the town. Granted there were the same bomb****s (bomb****s) back then that would come in randomly and bomb the hangers but not as often.

Now it's like every fight same set up except 1 or 2 of those dots are bombers. They just killed off a fight not 30mins ago, and are suspected of doing the same to a fight prior to that. Come in say on range "I'm bombing the FH's" and expect to hear a bunch of support. Instead they hear "No dont" "no need" "stupid bomb tard" "hit the vh" "there's like 20 gv's on the field/in town" and bomb it anyways. Call out on green "FH's down at A1" get a few wtg's for themselves to slap off too while on range people aren't as happy.

Basically at this point the people that were already there and fought their oscar's off to push the fight over the base are running low on fuel and starting to rtb, the new group are showing up to a base full of flak and getting shot not long after arriving. By the time the 1st group rtb's they see their efforts have been lost, a dieing fight and move onto the next potential. About 15mins after the bomb took the hangers out the fight is gone, as well as any CAP or effort to take the base, oh and the hangers are back up. Meanwhile :bomb**** has landed 6488 buildings destoyed. "wtg bomb****"

Repeat this for about 2 hours. Some times the only 2 hours some people get to play or are willing to play and you'll maybe get any idea what the gripe is all about.

So in reference to the people telling the enemy to up and take out ord or kill the bombers. THEY CANT YOU NOOBS (noobs) THEY ARE CAP'd. It's kind of like telling that guy in the back of the trunk in Goodfellas to quit whining and shoot Tommy, Henry, and Jimmy.

[JunkyII]

TW9 hit it on the head.

Hey junky, you said that one la7 killing a goon is not the fault of the fighter hangers but the fault of the fighter cover for the mission. This I agree with.

Unfortunately by this standard, a set of bombers taking out the FH at a furball is not the fault of the bombers, but the fault of the furballers for not defending their base.

 

Your lucky I like you 

[TW9]

TW9 hit it on the head.


Your lucky I like you 

shouldnt u be doing pt right about now? quit shammin..

[mechanic]

Well put TW, good answer.

S!

[JunkyII]

shouldnt u be doing pt right about now? quit shammin..

Hey now!!! I just ran 5 miles at a 6min mile pace give me a break 

[Kirin]

The furballers (furballers) have generally established CAP and have pushed the fight over or near enemy field.

Well, if bombers come through they haven't - at least no high alt CAP. As stated by many posters before we have several ways to deal with bombers. Why would you want to artificially neuter them? Climbing to alt and go bomber hunting takes time and is dangerous - so not the instant-action type of gameplay mentioned furballers might want. But climbing out with buffs takes even longer time and usually you have ample warning where they come from. More often than not I chased a small dar bar sector by sector, hunting ghost-dots (or speckles on my screen) - for me this can be as fun and rewarding as plunging into a 20+ plane furball.

So the conclusion stands - if you don't want the bombers to take FH down protect it by the many ways described above.

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AH is not about dogfight only - otherwise we wouldn't need bombers (or GVs) at all!!!

[JunkyII]

Well, if bombers come through they haven't - at least no high alt CAP. As stated by many posters before we have several ways to deal with bombers. Why would you want to artificially neuter them? Climbing to alt and go bomber hunting takes time and is dangerous - so not the instant-action type of gameplay mentioned furballers might want. But climbing out with buffs takes even longer time and usually you have ample warning where they come from. More often than not I chased a small dar bar sector by sector, hunting ghost-dots (or speckles on my screen) - for me this can be as fun and rewarding as plunging into a 20+ plane furball.

So the conclusion stands - if you don't want the bombers to take FH down protect it by the many ways described above.

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AH is not about dogfight only - otherwise we wouldn't need bombers (or GVs) at all!!!

Im just gunna throw out a majority then......people use P-51 and Spit 16s more then buffs and gvs combined, Ill need Lusche to confirm

As for "You know they are coming" Thats not entirely true someone can hide in the same dar sector as all the fighters and get 12k(plenty of alt in a buff at most furballs) so when you finally see them coming in.......its 2 late they are going to get 2 pass pretty fast on the basewhich is plenty for a small field and a good buffer can drop a medium field  in 2 passes.....Large bases are a bit harder