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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2010, 07:43:08 AM »
why would we pack a bomb if we could care less if the base get captured? have you been paying attention at all? go back in your corner.
:lol ok hotshot. True dat i didn't read every post in this thread because it's the same ole argument that pops up every tour. It's always the furballers vs the war winners.

Yes i do pay attention and what i notice is that you furballers won't step foot in furball lake in the DA. This puzzles me as you can furball 24/7 until your heart's content, without the worry of the FHs being taken down. No strategy involved...just fight. So if you could care less about any bases being taken, it'd stand to reason that the DA arena is the arena for you.

The AoMs are a respected squad but i will not hump their legs just to "fit in". You all proclaim your uberness by landing double digit kills while 5634745 guy takes your bases from under your feet. :lol Then you guys come to the BBS and cry about the very things the main arenas are set up for....taking bases and winning the war.

Frankly, i think the game play of the dedicated furballers is what has allowed the mega squads to take root and roll bases unopposed.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2010, 07:46:22 AM »
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someone can hide in the same dar sector as all the fighters and get 12k

True - so it takes maybe 2-3 fighters at 12k which means not every one can turn circles on the deck! 2 passes while being attacked is not THAT easy for a bomber since it is most vulnerable in bombsight mode.

The essence is: While in a scenario you would keep a high alt CAP/Intercept to deal with the bombers. I completely understand not many want to take that task in MA - but those unwilling should not shed tears if the bombruns are successful.

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2010, 07:49:02 AM »
:lol ok hotshot. True dat i didn't read every post in this thread because it's the same ole argument that pops up every tour. It's always the furballers vs the war winners.

Yes i do pay attention and what i notice is that you furballers won't step foot in furball lake in the DA. This puzzles me as you can furball 24/7 until your heart's content, without the worry of the FHs being taken down. No strategy involved...just fight. So if you could care less about any bases being taken, it'd stand to reason that the DA arena is the arena for you.

The AoMs are a respected squad but i will not hump their legs just to "fit in". You all proclaim your uberness by landing double digit kills while 5634745 guy takes your bases from under your feet. :lol Then you guys come to the BBS and cry about the very things the main arenas are set up for....taking bases and winning the war.

Frankly, i think the game play of the dedicated furballers is what has allowed the mega squads to take root and roll bases unopposed.

I started the thread......Im not in AoM
True - so it takes maybe 2-3 fighters at 12k which means not every one can turn circles on the deck! 2 passes while being attacked is not THAT easy for a bomber since it is most vulnerable in bombsight mode.

The essence is: While in a scenario you would keep a high alt CAP/Intercept to deal with the bombers. I completely understand not many want to take that task in MA - but those unwilling should not shed tears if the bombruns are successful.

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p.s.: I haven't flown a buff since I came back to AH - it's just not my pair of shoes (just as GVs are not). Bomber intercept fits me quite well since LW iron was specifcally built for that task!   :rock
The MA isnt a scenario....the rules are strict in there to create huge fights.....Ive been in acouple special events so far.....and I cant remember 1 where they dropped hangars so the enemy couldnt up...im promoting a better fight...just sayin :salute
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2010, 07:51:44 AM »
You know whats funny about the first screenshot....Im in B24s heading to take out ords and vh.


Sorry UpTown that arguement doesnt work, with me atleast, because I do pork fields quite often. I dont normally fly buffs because I love the 190F8 with the black and grey skin(gangsta skin I call it) but this time I did, all ords down after 2 pass on a large airfield with 1 set of 24s...quite effective and they didnt take the base.

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Yes i know you were egging things as i was too. But some folks don't want to do the work needed to keep the furball going. They won't bomb or resupply anything. They just want to complain when others have a game plan and take their toys away. :salute

yes i know u not in AoM.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2010, 07:58:46 AM »
Yes i know you were egging things as i was too. But some folks don't want to do the work needed to keep the furball going. They won't bomb or resupply anything. They just want to complain when others have a game plan and take their toys away. :salute

yes i know u not in AoM.
I do dislike that type of thing....someone complains about a HO then do it themself, or ganging then they gang themself.

Personally I think Im going to change my gameplay style honestly, before I start furballing all the ords around the base will be down. I personally think you will find alot of people complaining about not having ords after Im done with the area around a base :rock

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2010, 08:17:04 AM »
Hey junky, you said that one la7 killing a goon is not the fault of the fighter hangers but the fault of the fighter cover for the mission. This I agree with.

Unfortunately by this standard, a set of bombers taking out the FH at a furball is not the fault of the bombers, but the fault of the furballers for not defending their base.

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A more true statement was never made.
Now Im not talking about the horde. which is a problem all unto itself

I dont fly bombers all that much. and when I do its rarely to hit the fighter hangers. I understand the complaints of the furballers about having the only fight on the map ruined.
But the bottom line is still. In the MA. If you dont want the hangers bombed. Defend your base against them better.
I furball alot more then I base take. And at the altitudes I see some of the folks I see claiming they want to get into a fast fight.  There is no excuse other then they simply to not want to engage bombers as some I even see ignore bombers other then to call out that they are in the area.

Now I also see buffs comming in from all sorts of alts. But most bomber formations I see come in under 15-20 K. Plenty low enough for people to intercept. Problem is I see more people who ignore the bomber formations..Again other then to warn they are in the area. then I do see people actually going after them to do something about it.

So yes. No grater blame can be placed on having the FH's knocked down then on the furballers themselves. If your not willing to do your part to go after bombers occasionally. Then you really have no room to complain as you are more part of the problem then you are the solution.
Now I know some people here arent going to like that or agree with it. But it is the truth.

Now I dont frequent the place. but from what I understand. the DA is a good place to go to for  "quick fights" if thats honestly what your looking for
Problem is. Everyone wants to be where the crowd is. And that happens to be the MA. Not the DA. If the majority really were just into it for the fight. Then the DA would be alot more full.
But its not.

If your going to fly in the MA. If you have to be where the crowd is.  Then you have to be willing to accept that so long as there are buildings that can be blown up, Hangars that can be dropped. and bases that can be taken and "wars" that can be won. People are going to do that. And the best way of preventing that is to defend your territory from opposing sides attempting that. And in the MA that just the way it is.
Best summed up in a line in the movie Flyboys. "If you dont like it. Your the man in the air. Your the man with the guns"

After all. Shooting down enemy bombers is part of "air to air combat" as well

From the bombers perspective there is another point as well. And yet another reason why I personally would like to see plane/gv specific strat targets. Preferably of the most popular planes and GV's if its to be an effective option. Anything less and Nobody will care let alone want to be bothered defending such targets.
I know from my standpoint when I fly the occasional bomber Im hoping to be engaged at least once by enemy fighters. Flying to and from a target where nobody bothers to come after you can get quite boring. The fun of flying bombers is trying to get to your target without getting shot down, hitting your target. then trying to RTB without getting shot down. Its made more fun if people are actually trying to shoot you down.

Again. You just dont see enough people upping to try to shoot down planes going to the Strat targets. Far far less then you see people trying to prevent the bases from being bombed. Again. Why should they when bombing strats has a minimal effect at best on gameplay.
No real reason to go after then other then because they are there. and even less of a reason to defend against them. the risk/reward simply isnt there for either side.

Now put up a spit factory, and you will see people trying to defend it rather then loose access to their frilly dainty underwear for 15 min. There is a real reason to defend it.
And for the same reasons there is a real reason to attack it.

Give the bomber folks something legitimate to bomb. Something people might actually try to defend against. Something that cant be done by attacking a base (which is currently by FAR more effective then bombing any of the strats including HQ) And the bombers will probobly spend more time going after those targets.

Yes people will howl and scream and stomp their feet in tempertantrum over loosing their favorite girlieplane for whatever nominal time.
But they too would have only themselves to blame. And it wouldnt stop "the fight"

Give the buff drivers a legitimate reason to bomb someplace else instead and they probobly will. As I said before. it is by far, much much more effective to bomb a base then it is to go after a strat target
There is very little legitimate reason for buffs to go after strat targets And even less for people to try and defend against them.

So long as that is the case fields will be the prefered targets. Even if capture of the feild is not the intent

Hangars though. Should always remain as they are. Bombable as legitimate reason for bombing hangars is to stop the horde UNLESS something is truely done for side balancing

In the meantime. If you dont want your hangars bombed. Its up to you  to stop them

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2010, 08:21:40 AM »
I have been on the Knight side for 2 or 3 months now and the skill of the Knights is top notch without a doubt. But the bish and rooks always have 100 more fields then the Knights. Why? 2 reasons i think. 1st is the nits have no huge squads to hoard bases and 2nd the vast majority of knights will not lift a finger to do anything to resupply or hit strat targets because most would rather just play fighter pilot.

So the way i see it, if you don't want or not willing to take out troops or ord then you really have reason to complain because someone took your hangers down. :salute

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2010, 08:26:11 AM »
I do dislike that type of thing....someone complains about a HO then do it themself, or ganging then they gang themself.

Personally I think Im going to change my gameplay style honestly, before I start furballing all the ords around the base will be down. I personally think you will find alot of people complaining about not having ords after Im done with the area around a base :rock

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Actually one of the simplest and most effective ways to prevent or at least delay your base from being bombed is to take out ord at opposing bases.
Again. If one isnt willing to do their part. they have no excuse to complain.

Same thing with the knotheads I see steer a CV next to a base yet not bother take down ord and shore batteries yet complain when PTs are launching torpedoes, bombs are bombing and the Shore batts are shelling the CV.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2010, 08:29:07 AM »


Same thing with the knotheads I see steer a CV next to a base yet not bother take down ord and shore batteries yet complain when PTs are launching torpedoes, bombs are bombing and the Shore batts are shelling the CV.
  :lol that drives me nuts too.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2010, 08:33:57 AM »
I dont have a problem with the enemy bombing FHs, after all they'll be back up before the buffs have landed, they havent hit the strat targets which will effect our ability to arm ords, resupply fields, capture bases or take 100% + drop for the shorter range fighters, or flatten the town to enable a base take.

It can be irritating if friendly buffs do this while we are trying to take a base (ie ignoring town, VH) for the same reasons as above. if its not a base which is going to be taken it has no strategic purpose at all, its just bombing practise. in this case I'd rather they hit the strat targets at a base to deny capability but its not for me to tell em what to do.


edit: I suspect most people bomb FHs because they are bigger targets than the strats so easier to line up on if they havent memorised the clipboard maps, plus they think it has greater tactical value that it actually has.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2010, 08:57:10 AM »


So the way i see it, if you don't want or not willing to take out troops or ord then you really have reason to complain because someone took your hangers down. :salute



I am kind of on the fence over this subject.  I will not sick the Pigs onto a obviously furballing base.  We will usually find an out of a way base and pick a fight.  If during the fight, we knock down the hangars, then so be it. 

However Uptown makes a point.  1 guy can shut down troops and/or ords at single base within 15 mins.  3-4 guys can shut down troops/ords at multiple bases in about the same amount of time.  Call it insurance that the furball will not be interrupted.  You will be shot Sir if anymore common sense comes out of you...  ;)
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2010, 10:39:51 AM »
Well, if bombers come through they haven't - at least no high alt CAP. As stated by many posters before we have several ways to deal with bombers. Why would you want to artificially neuter them? Climbing to alt and go bomber hunting takes time and is dangerous - so not the instant-action type of gameplay mentioned furballers might want. But climbing out with buffs takes even longer time and usually you have ample warning where they come from. More often than not I chased a small dar bar sector by sector, hunting ghost-dots (or speckles on my screen) - for me this can be as fun and rewarding as plunging into a 20+ plane furball.

So the conclusion stands - if you don't want the bombers to take FH down protect it by the many ways described above.

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2010, 11:07:54 AM »
I seen the sky filled with uber fighter jocks tonite and not one packing a bomb or rocket! Instead the uber furball dudes would rather collect scalps and land kills to make themselves look good.


Or maybe, just maybe, these guys like to furball, it's fun for them.... just maybe.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2010, 11:19:03 AM »
There is no excuse other then they simply to not want to engage bombers as some I even see ignore bombers other then to call out that they are in the area.

Now I also see buffs comming in from all sorts of alts. But most bomber formations I see come in under 15-20 K. Plenty low enough for people to intercept. Problem is I see more people who ignore the bomber formations..Again other then to warn they are in the area. then I do see people actually going after them to do something about it.


Can you guess why?
1)   First of all, if they are at 15K I need to about 5 minutes to get nice and slow on their 6.  FH down by then.
2)   Laser guns that will at list PW or hit your oil from 800 to 1000 out
3)   Damage one of them and your FPS may or may not survive.
4)   Drons may warp into you
5)   Kill the lead and they ride it down for 30 seconds with the drones all over the place
6)   The could bail as soon as you get near
7)   If you are lucky and survive, you are now out of ammo and damaged.  RTB time

Maybe you have the time to try all that.  I ll just give my six to the nearest con and try to fight it out.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2010, 11:24:09 AM »


They only way there will be a middle ground is if the community makes a middle ground. Fighter jocks have to respect the "win the war" type and the "win the war" types have to respect the fighter jocks. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. Too many people have a chip on there shoulder, too many people are too immature. too many people are just down right "Aholes".


There's the Generals on the "win the war" side. They preclude me from ever working with "them". Many times I've been told I don't know how to play the game by some guy who just subscribed the month prior. I get to hear how I'm not a team player because I won't fly a bomber to an enemy base,  as I'm up to my neck in bad guys over a friendly base. I'm a spy, I'm not welcome... as if the General speaks for the whole team.(my favorite). The Generals and their "You guys  suck, team X has been kicking our butts all day, you guys are idiots." As if they were in charge of all of us, they could save the day. Every last one of these Generals... ALL of them, couldn't outfly a goon with a zero.  

Then there's the endless mission calls in caps on country channel. Thankfully, I don't see this as often now.  

I'll stick with the furballers.  Comparared to the "win the war" Generals, you rarely see them polluting country channel.
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