Whats wrong with these screenshots?

[Lusche]

I am sorry to tell you kill joys that dropping FH's has NOTHING TO DO WITH strategy or game play.

Overly generalizing and not always correct. Sometimes it is about strategy. Mostly bad, occasionally good one.


 It is simply a way for dweebs to get there rocks off.

(...)

This kind of behavior is exactly what is going on in this game. Immature players doing things that have nothing to do with game strategy...only to get ch 200 going. They get a kick out of it. The only goal is to piss people off, disrupt the game and cause grief while getting a big laugh.


For some yes. Yet I bet 9 out of 10 occasions FH'S are NOT being dropped for that reason.


The Army of Muppets can take a town down in 2 min with 2 sets of lanc's, have fighter cover with 2 or 3 guys and sneak a goon or m3 in and have the dam base in 5 min. Then up from it and keep until we get bored of clubbing baby seals.

If "winning the war" was the point then bases would be captured in short time, with FH intact so you could up and defend, launch a new mission and take the next one.

The reason that it doesn't happen is not only that many player's aren't interested in the war, but also in that among those who do, the necessary skill & coordination is lacking. And also you have to take into account defender's action. You're making it soudn way more easier than it actually is for the average MA population.

But that does not happen. A base take happens and the whole mess moves across the map to take another undefended base. In the mean time the dweebs fly buffs to every furball and kill the FH regardless of the base take situation.

Again: 9 out of 10 don't do it to mess anybody's game up. They actually feel they are helping.
And allow me to quote the OFFICAL AH help page: "Gameplay:      
Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High"

It takes weeks to take a map if it ever happens. There are not enough members of AH to support such large maps that we have, as a result we have the situation of boredom and that results in shenanigans.

It happens alot. LWO, a large map, was reset yesterday for example. Personally I dread the thought of having small maps only.

The "well you should have killed the buffs" argument is bunk. Like a squad (6 players) are going to circle a target for an hour waiting on buffs....that kind of thing only happens in scenarios like FSO.

Well, if buffs appear that rarely that you have to circle for one our waiting for them - Where is the problem then?

Buffs take off fly to 25k and then magically lazer bomb 2 small targets....OMG....in REAL ww2 it took hundreds of bombers to drop on a target and they still couldn't hit it.

The utter majority of buffs is flying less than 15k, many less than 10. And Think about the time those are investing that DO fly to 25k.
The impact of 25k buffs on overall gameplay is pretty small, particularly compared to multi-wing squad basegrabs, rapid succession of NOE's and the like

So there is a problem with the WAY the "win the war" is constructed. Certain types of players take advantage of this and do nothing but grief.

You are vastly exaggerating

And allow me a thing to add: THE WAR, however we may care about it individually, is one major thing that keeps this game alive.

[MrAxe]

People like me. I'm going to bomb every fighter hanger on one front. From 25+k. Repeatedly. Just to feed the whine. Seriously, its a game where having air superiority wins the war.

Option 1) struggle to move the furball one way or another.
Option 2) demolish opposing fh and move it almost immediately.
Option 3) you take out ords at the opposing front and your fh stay up.

Seems simple to me. Stop bombers=no ords. Stop fighters=bomb fh.

Everyone will play different. Its not your sandbox and you don't make any rules. Everyone moves the sand a different way and everyone wants the castle to look different. Its what I like about this game, somedays its furball-ville, somedays you can't find a base with ords, somedays no one porks ords. Etcetc.

[TW9]

geez snail u act like it was a constant horde on the small maps. at least u had the option of joining in on the smaller or bigger fights on them. Instead we have only the option of being part of maybe a 15 player or less combined fight. Frankly imo there was more action on the h2h arena's than there is in any of the main arena's.

[stodd]

So the bombers come in take out the hangers and think some goon is gonna pop out of some lala's butt  and magically take the base.

People like me. I'm going to bomb every fighter hanger on one front. From 25+k. Repeatedly. Just to feed the whine. Seriously, its a game where having air superiority wins the war.

Option 1) struggle to move the furball one way or another.
Option 2) demolish opposing fh and move it almost immediately.
Option 3) you take out ords at the opposing front and your fh stay up.

Seems simple to me. Stop bombers=no ords. Stop fighters=bomb fh.

Everyone will play different. Its not your sandbox and you don't make any rules. Everyone moves the sand a different way and everyone wants the castle to look different. Its what I like about this game, somedays its furball-ville, somedays you can't find a base with ords, somedays no one porks ords. Etcetc.

Whats your in game name? Or are you just a shade?

[uptown]

blah blah blah blad..... same ole watermelon different day Take the frikkens ords out if ya don't want to get bombed! I seen the sky filled with uber fighter jocks tonite and not one packing a bomb or rocket! Instead the uber furball dudes would rather collect scalps and land kills to make themselves look good. God forbid if they dive into the ack and take a VH down or deack the town. They might get hit.

[TW9]

blah blah blah blad..... same ole watermelon different day Take the frikkens ords out if ya don't want to get bombed! I seen the sky filled with uber fighter jocks tonite and not one packing a bomb or rocket! Instead the uber furball dudes would rather collect scalps and land kills to make themselves look good. God forbid if they dive into the ack and take a VH down or deack the town. They might get hit.

why would we pack a bomb if we could care less if the base get captured? have you been paying attention at all? go back in your corner.

[JunkyII]

blah blah blah blad..... same ole watermelon different day Take the frikkens ords out if ya don't want to get bombed! I seen the sky filled with uber fighter jocks tonite and not one packing a bomb or rocket! Instead the uber furball dudes would rather collect scalps and land kills to make themselves look good. God forbid if they dive into the ack and take a VH down or deack the town. They might get hit.

You know whats funny about the first screenshot....Im in B24s heading to take out ords and vh.


Sorry UpTown that arguement doesnt work, with me atleast, because I do pork fields quite often. I dont normally fly buffs because I love the 190F8 with the black and grey skin(gangsta skin I call it) but this time I did, all ords down after 2 pass on a large airfield with 1 set of 24s...quite effective and they didnt take the base.

 

[Lusche]

geez snail u act like it was a constant horde on the small maps.

I do what? You get that out of a single sentence?

No it isn't a constant horde on small maps, particularly in the lesser populated arena and/or at off peak times.
But it's not only  2-man fights or combat avoiding blobs on huge maps either.

at least u had the option of joining in on the smaller or bigger fights on them. Instead we have only the option of being part of maybe a 15 player or less combined fight. Frankly imo there was more action on the h2h arena's than there is in any of the main arena's.

I really don't know why people have top make blunt, overly generalizing and plain wrong statements.


I was just playing the whole day on two big maps. I was taking part in huge furballs (LWB had a massive battle for A239 going on for hours (so much for "no bigger fights"), I was battling tanks in a remote corner in a very small and silent action, I was defending fields vs hordes as well as only a few players trying to sneak, and I once had to change arena because there was nothing much to to at all.
I did all kinds of stuff on huge maps. today, small scale & large scale.

Do I want to see huge maps only? No.Do I like small maps? Yes, some of those are my absolute favorites.
But small maps only did almost make me dro AH.

[The Fugitive]

There will NEVER be a happy middle ground. You have bozo's like this....

People like me. I'm going to bomb every fighter hanger on one front. From 25+k. Repeatedly. Just to feed the whine. Seriously, its a game where having air superiority wins the war.

Option 1) struggle to move the furball one way or another.
Option 2) demolish opposing fh and move it almost immediately.
Option 3) you take out ords at the opposing front and your fh stay up.

Seems simple to me. Stop bombers=no ords. Stop fighters=bomb fh.

Everyone will play different. Its not your sandbox and you don't make any rules. Everyone moves the sand a different way and everyone wants the castle to look different. Its what I like about this game, somedays its furball-ville, somedays you can't find a base with ords, somedays no one porks ords. Etcetc.

That basically say "I'm here to ruin everyone else fun as long as I'm having fun." No respect toward other players. You have "leaders" if I can use that term here, that run huge squads because they don't have the skill or drive as a group to compete against other squads so they must horde to accomplish anything. Here we have hordes hitting a base and numbers aren't good enough, they have to take out the FH's too !

They only way there will be a middle ground is if the community makes a middle ground. Fighter jocks have to respect the "win the war" type and the "win the war" types have to respect the fighter jocks. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. Too many people have a chip on there shoulder, too many people are too immature. too many people are just down right "Aholes".

Bring back the 32 people squads. Make people compete for those precious few spots. Don't just sign anybody, sign those you need. Some nights your squad my have 12 guys and take base after base, other nights it will be the enemies turn and you have to slow them down. Bring back the respect, bring back the competition.

Trust me, if the game gets worst, and it starts hitting HTC in the pocket, you WILL see some changes. Don't mess with a mans livelihood !

[JunkyII]

People like me. I'm going to bomb every fighter hanger on one front. From 25+k. Repeatedly. Just to feed the whine. Seriously, its a game where having air superiority wins the war.

Option 1) struggle to move the furball one way or another.
Option 2) demolish opposing fh and move it almost immediately.
Option 3) you take out ords at the opposing front and your fh stay up.

Seems simple to me. Stop bombers=no ords. Stop fighters=bomb fh.

Everyone will play different. Its not your sandbox and you don't make any rules. Everyone moves the sand a different way and everyone wants the castle to look different. Its what I like about this game, somedays its furball-ville, somedays you can't find a base with ords, somedays no one porks ords. Etcetc.

This gave me a good laugh with every word of it

What whine are you feeding tool(mind if I call you tool I mean an axe is a tool). What I am doing is trying to inform a "less" informed crowd of Aces High that dropping the FH isnt the only option. Honestly other then my own personal squad missions which normally dont happen till about midnight, I havnt seen one Fighter Sweep mission since the new year....About a year or so ago, I remember getting ganged by 8 person Pony raids everyday. Yes the fighter sweeps are harder especially to those who comps are having problems with running the new graphics, and for the less in acm abilities but it will definately help them learn and maybe want to stay longer. This "path of least resistence" people are taking is causing a downfall in gameplay and it effects everyone...new players arent progressing as fast, fights are starting to be horde vs few or few vs horde depending on which side your on....And the attitude you show in your intial paragraph doesnt help ANYONE...not even your tool self.

BTW I already said stuff to explain why all 3 of your "options" dont work......come back when you have read the entire essay of an OP.

 

[JunkyII]

There will NEVER be a happy middle ground. You have bozo's like this....

That basically say "I'm here to ruin everyone else fun as long as I'm having fun." No respect toward other players. You have "leaders" if I can use that term here, that run huge squads because they don't have the skill or drive as a group to compete against other squads so they must horde to accomplish anything. Here we have hordes hitting a base and numbers aren't good enough, they have to take out the FH's too !

They only way there will be a middle ground is if the community makes a middle ground. Fighter jocks have to respect the "win the war" type and the "win the war" types have to respect the fighter jocks. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. Too many people have a chip on there shoulder, too many people are too immature. too many people are just down right "Aholes".

Bring back the 32 people squads. Make people compete for those precious few spots. Don't just sign anybody, sign those you need. Some nights your squad my have 12 guys and take base after base, other nights it will be the enemies turn and you have to slow them down. Bring back the respect, bring back the competition.

Trust me, if the game gets worst, and it starts hitting HTC in the pocket, you WILL see some changes. Don't mess with a mans livelihood !

Speak da truth brotha

Only thing I disagree with is the horde squads(yep im in a so-called horde squad) The only reason we upped in size from 1 to 2 wings in the first place was because we had alot of good people alway flying with us anyway...it wasnt about taking bases or being ubber it was about a good time...now we have about 45 pilots who are all pretty active and love a great time. Now Claim Jumpers....I dont know their story but they got ALOT.
no offense CJ's

The bolded part of your quote can account for 2 of the screenshots in the OP....One group I have already publicly stated who it was....

 

[CptTrips]

Junky,

You're just missing the absolute fundemental point here, IMHO.

If Hitech wanted FH to only be destroyed after all other structures, he simply would have coded it that way.  He did not. In fact, he awards bombers with points for taking down FH, therefore you can assume he is incouraging that. 

Only Hitech makes the rules around here.  And he doesn't care in what order buildings get destroyed.  If you do, you have at least 3 choices:

• Take out ord
• Take out the bombers
• Take out the bomber hangars

Else, learn to love the rubble look. 

Regards,
Wab

[kilo2]

First off, Junkys post was most excellent. It shows PROOF of the problem. There have been other posts on this subject but none have yet to show real evidence of the problem.

I am sorry to tell you kill joys that dropping FH's has NOTHING TO DO WITH strategy or game play. It is simply a way for dweebs to get there rocks off.

Today in Panama City, Florida 5 males aged 18 to 20 were nearly arrested for parading in the walmart dressed in speedo's and sneakers, women's clothing, carrying sex toys. There explanation was "the weather was bad and we were bored".

This kind of behavior is exactly what is going on in this game. Immature players doing things that have nothing to do with game strategy...only to get ch 200 going. They get a kick out of it. The only goal is to piss people off, disrupt the game and cause grief while getting a big laugh.

The Army of Muppets can take a town down in 2 min with 2 sets of lanc's, have fighter cover with 2 or 3 guys and sneak a goon or m3 in and have the dam base in 5 min. Then up from it and keep until we get bored of clubbing baby seals.

If "winning the war" was the point then bases would be captured in short time, with FH intact so you could up and defend, launch a new mission and take the next one.

But that does not happen. A base take happens and the whole mess moves across the map to take another undefended base. In the mean time the dweebs fly buffs to every furball and kill the FH regardless of the base take situation.

It takes weeks to take a map if it ever happens. There are not enough members of AH to support such large maps that we have, as a result we have the situation of boredom and that results in shenanigans.

The "well you should have killed the buffs" argument is bunk. Like a squad (6 players) are going to circle a target for an hour waiting on buffs....that kind of thing only happens in scenarios like FSO.

In every day play it doesn't happen like that. Anybody who has played this game longer than 1 month knows this.

Buffs take off fly to 25k and then magically lazer bomb 2 small targets....OMG....in REAL ww2 it took hundreds of bombers to drop on a target and they still couldn't hit it.

So there is a problem with the WAY the "win the war" is constructed. Certain types of players take advantage of this and do nothing but grief.

Linking bombing hangers to immaturity is a STRETCH, a funny stretch especially for a Muppet. There is nothing wrong with bombing hangers. This game is not just for furballers where some get that idea I don't know.

This is not REAL WW2 if you haven't noticed, so it does not matter how many bombers it took in real war.

Also it is crazy to think that every bomber pilot who takes down FHs is griefing, sitting back and laughing that is a silly notion.

It is not often that there is not a field with hangers up not 25 miles away, the fight moves a bit big deal.

[warhed]

I only recently became aware of the "war" and even dropped a bomb as per your instructions Commander Warhed. I was hoping a promotion was in the works after that brave deed (albeit I didn't actually hit anything with the bomb), and now I hear that you are not really fully commited to winning the war ......... I'm devastated  

I'm thinking of you, making the ultimate Goon pilot from now on Private.  Your bomb dropping skills are worse than mine, and when I fly fighter sorties with you, I wind up having to save you from every single con you engage  

[MrAxe]

I'm oAXEo. And I won't really be bombing all the fh, but I do pork ords. I'm just trying to point out that each action in the game is stoppable. Posting on the forum wont stop bombers taking out hangers. Porking ords will! I promote everyone playing the game as they want to. However, sometimes you might need to up a sortie to protect your style of gameplay.