Can we fix this?

[saantana]

...but yes. if we have the 239 at 40eny i think we need the crappy 339 and F2A-3 also because i dont like the idea that an outdated aircraft is decimating me in flight...

It's not the aircraft, it's your poor flying.

[Saxman]

It's not the aircraft, it's your poor flying.

To be fair, the Brewster is one of those birds that tends to make a mediocre pilot better than he otherwise would be. She turns like a Zero, is nearly as tough as the F4F/FM-2, (which may be the most rugged fighter in the game) dives nearly as well as late-war American iron like the F4U, has almost 0 control issues at high speeds, and mounts a solid gun package. Her rate of climb is good for an early-war fighter, she accelerates rather well, and although her top speed isn't that great, the Spitfires aren't exactly hot rods compared to many of the more common rides in the Mains, either.

[Wmaker]

is nearly as tough as the F4F/FM-2

Heh, not even close...

All in all, your whole assesment is rather hilarious.

[Wmaker]

dives nearly as well as late-war American iron like the F4U

Not even remotely true. Dive acceleration is slow and it really loses E in prolonged dives, which is hardly surprising considering its light weight.

Her rate of climb is good for an early-war fighter, she accelerates rather well, and although her top speed isn't that great, the Spitfires aren't exactly hot rods compared to many of the more common rides in the Mains, either.

Considering the whole altitude span, it is the slowest fighter in the game. So yes, the top speed isn't that great. Talking about Spitfire's speed in the same sentence with the Brewster speed is funny too.

[AKDogg]

Ok i know that alot of people are gonna shoot this down and say im a bad pilot or whatever *cough* not true *cough* but i usually fly the a6m5b and i have BREWSTERS out climbing me, out turning me, and out gunning me... in real life wasnt the brewster a freaking rock with a propellor and 50cal mgs? why is my 20eny plane losing in one on ones vs 40 eny planes? ive used every maneuver a zeke can fly and i never win in a fight vs one... i say we need a fixxxxx

You would really hate my 11000lb F4U-1 corsair turn fighting ur zeke then and killing ya.

[Soulyss]

Not even remotely true. Dive acceleration is slow and it really loses E in prolonged dives, which is hardly surprising considering its light weight.


Considering the whole altitude span, it is the slowest fighter in the game. So yes, the top speed isn't that great. Talking about Spitfire's speed in the same sentence with the Brewster speed is funny too.

I'd be curious to actually test it's acceleration in level flight as well.  A few months back I found myself in a bad position while flying the P-38J.  I was right on the deck in a low speed circle with a brewster.  He caught me low and slow and I had managed to stay out of his guns for awhile but sitting there looking across a horizontal circle at him with all my flaps hanging out I knew it was only a matter of time before I lost that fight.  I rolled level in the direction of some help and pulled the flaps in and tried to get out of dodge, by the time the brewster finished the turn to get my six o'clock I was already out of effective gun range and easily pulled away from there. 

Either the brewster doesn't accelerate that well from low speed, or the 38J does it better than I had previously thought.

[Wmaker]

I'd be curious to actually test it's acceleration in level flight as well.  A few months back I found myself in a bad position while flying the P-38J.  I was right on the deck in a low speed circle with a brewster.  He caught me low and slow and I had managed to stay out of his guns for awhile but sitting there looking across a horizontal circle at him with all my flaps hanging out I knew it was only a matter of time before I lost that fight.  I rolled level in the direction of some help and pulled the flaps in and tried to get out of dodge, by the time the brewster finished the turn to get my six o'clock I was already out of effective gun range and easily pulled away from there.  

Either the brewster doesn't accelerate that well from low speed, or the 38J does it better than I had previously thought.

Sounds about exactly like the experiences I've had while flying the Brewster.

Saying that it "acclerates rather well" (As Saxman put it) is quite far from the thruth. Its power loading simply doesn't allow very good acceleration compared to the most of the planes flown in the LWMA regularly. It really feels at times like it's very short on excess thrust in a close quarters maneuvering fight. Of course its quite low wing loading, high lift coefficient and good low speed control authority/roll rate still make it a very nasty opponent in that type of situation.

P-38 has one of the better power loadings of US fighters, it really isn't suprising that it leaves Brewster standing.



Brewster is a delightfully maneuverable fighter and it's a lot of fun to fly but it certainly can't compete in "the raw performance-department".

[Ghosth]

One other thing you need to remember when your talking about gunnery.

The Ace with the most kills was I believe Bong, in p38's He ended up with something like 26 if I remember correctly.

Anyone who tries, can get 26 kills in a week here. Multiply that times 52 and that times how many years they've been flying.
We rack up an incredible amount of "shooting" time compared to real life pilots. And as a result some get very very good at it.

I know I've killed planes with an iL2 out to 1.5k You'd never make that shot in real life. Heck you'd never take it, for fear you'd need those rounds before you could get back.

[shreck]

why is my 20eny plane losing in one on ones vs 40 eny planes?

ENY speeking the real odd comparison IMO has always been the G14/K4 compaired to P47d25 and d40 <-- very odd indeed!
How the lufties can be same eny as the juggies is mind boggling!

Don't want to hijack,  just saying

[stodd]

To be fair, the Brewster is one of those birds that tends to make a mediocre pilot better than he otherwise would be. She turns like a Zero, is nearly as tough as the F4F/FM-2, (which may be the most rugged fighter in the game) dives nearly as well as late-war American iron like the F4U, has almost 0 control issues at high speeds, and mounts a solid gun package. Her rate of climb is good for an early-war fighter, she accelerates rather well, and although her top speed isn't that great, the Spitfires aren't exactly hot rods compared to many of the more common rides in the Mains, either.

Yep, +1

[321BAR]

Not even remotely true. Dive acceleration is slow and it really loses E in prolonged dives, which is hardly surprising considering its light weight.


Considering the whole altitude span, it is the slowest fighter in the game. So yes, the top speed isn't that great. Talking about Spitfire's speed in the same sentence with the Brewster speed is funny too.

in the first part, agreed, in my zeke i lose E terribly while diving obviously and i noticed the brewsters have the same problem but they still rape zeros... anyways i agree to me being wrong right when someone said it was the 239 and not the pig american and british versions... BUT

To be fair, the Brewster is one of those birds that tends to make a mediocre pilot better than he otherwise would be. She turns like a Zero, is nearly as tough as the F4F/FM-2, (which may be the most rugged fighter in the game) dives nearly as well as late-war American iron like the F4U, has almost 0 control issues at high speeds, and mounts a solid gun package. Her rate of climb is good for an early-war fighter, she accelerates rather well, and although her top speed isn't that great, the Spitfires aren't exactly hot rods compared to many of the more common rides in the Mains, either.

everything i bolded here is freaking true about the brew... the rest not really

[Saxman]

I definitely beg to differ on the durability statement. I've taken hits in the Brewster that would have easily put me out of a fight in the F4U (which is a tough bird to begin with) even if they weren't outright fatal. More than a couple times I've been caught in a multiples vs. me engagement on the deck where I'm getting hammered from all sides for a good minute before she finally loses something critical. My own experience vs. Brewsters is that it takes a good tracking shot even at convergence to put her down.

I've also had Brewsters hang with my F4U while I was in a full WEP dive.

And as for acceleration, perhaps I should have clarified that this is as far as early-war fighters go.

[AirFlyer]

Honestly I've never had any problem outrunning a Brew. in my Zeke, it's actually one of the few times I consider it in a Zeke and thats only if turning seems to be out of the question(rare). At about the 10,000ft mark where the A6M5b really shines as far as speed goes, it has a distinct advantage against the Brew.

[danny76]

LOL!!! you don't like getting beat by a crappy 40 ENY plane !!!!

Here's a tip, learn to fly better ! Any plane can be beat, it's more the pilot than the plane.

Thanks. See ENY again thread

[Karnak]

Unless the Brewster bounces the A6M5b, the A6M5b holds the cards.  It is faster and climbs better than the Brewster.  Use those strengths and don't rely on turning.  Yes, I know that sounds backwards for the Zero, but that is how it is.