Can we fix this?

[AirFlyer]

See you're  used to being the tightest turning ac.  Don't turn fight the brew that is it's bread and butter.  I think the A6M2 and hurri MkI are the only 2 fighters that can out turn it.

What I was thinking, but like I said it comes down to the pilot a lot IMO since the turn radius of the two planes are still close enough for A6M5b to be able to win but I suppose this is true for anything in a sense.

Edit: Bar123 do you have the stall limiter off? Having that on although makes the A6M5b a much more stable ride in the turn till you get used to it also severally limits it in the turning ability.

[76646]

Found this. Excuse the language. But hey. Look who is talking! 

In October, 1977, I had the privilege and honor to have a few fairly lengthy conversations in a relativly private atmosphere with Greg Boyington. He seemed a hard, inwardly angry man. By this I mean, he never had it easy and this came through in his demeanor. His speech was rather gruff, he rarely spoke unless spoken to first and his answers to questions came quickly, brusquely and to the point. He had no qualms about his liking of alcohol, constantly nursing beers as we spoke. Coors, as I recall.

I remember asking him about the Brewster Buffalo (Then, Now and Always, my favorite aircraft). I had no sooner finished saying the word 'Buffalo', when he slammed his beer can down on the table, and practicaly snarled, "It was a DOG!" (His emphasis). Then he slowly leaned back in his chair and after a moment quietly said, "But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armorplate, radios and other toejam, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little diddlys could turn and roll in a phonebooth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and diddlyed it up." With that he reached for his beer and was silent again. After that answer, I somehow had the feeling that I had just gotten a glimpse into Boyington's attitude towards life in general.

[Saxman]

Heh. Must have been something to sit down with Boyington.

I wish someone would adapt the biography Black Sheep One into a movie.

[321BAR]

What I was thinking, but like I said it comes down to the pilot a lot IMO since the turn radius of the two planes are still close enough for A6M5b to be able to win but I suppose this is true for anything in a sense.

Edit: Bar123 do you have the stall limiter off? Having that on although makes the A6M5b a much more stable ride in the turn till you get used to it also severally limits it in the turning ability.

rgr on the stall limiter. idk how to turn it off

[Ardy123]

Dont see what the problem is - if you get into a bad sit, level out and run away, even a spit V can do that with ease.

doesn't work that well, any brew pilot worth his salt, can use the american made laser....err... 50 cals to hit you from 800+ out...

By the way, don't bullets tumble and go every which way once their speed falls bellow a certain threshold?  

the problem is the laser like guns, which have bullets that remain in perfect spin allowing for completely unrealistic shots.

[AWwrgwy]

doesn't work that well, any brew pilot worth his salt, can use the american made laser....err... 50 cals to hit you from 800+ out...

By the way, don't bullets tumble and go every which way once their speed falls bellow a certain threshold?  

the problem is the laser like guns, which have bullets that remain in perfect spin allowing for completely unrealistic shots.

How far do you suppose that threshold is?  Maybe 1000 yards or more?  The ground based M2 .50 cal has an effective range of nearly 2000 yards.  Could that be the threshold?


wrongway

[321BAR]

How far do you suppose that threshold is?  Maybe 1000 yards or more?  The ground based M2 .50 cal has an effective range of nearly 2000 yards.  Could that be the threshold?


wrongway

50cal snipers are accurate to a mile and a half

[Ardy123]

50cal snipers are accurate to a mile and a half

I find it hard to believe that an airplane that is vibrating (due to its engine, guns firing rapidly, etc..) in the air is anywhere near as stable as a sniper taking 1 shot from as stand-still position.

look at most WW2 gun cameras, the shots are taken close in.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&ei=W1KVS6X9Oam-qQP64tmKAg&q=WWII+gun+cameras&hl=en&client=firefox-a#

[Saxman]

I find it hard to believe that an airplane that is vibrating (due to its engine, guns firing rapidly, etc..) in the air is anywhere near as stable as a sniper taking 1 shot from as stand-still position.

look at most WW2 gun cameras, the shots are taken close in.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&ei=W1KVS6X9Oam-qQP64tmKAg&q=WWII+gun+cameras&hl=en&client=firefox-a#

That's not so much a factor of the accuracy of the weapon, but the difficulties of aerial gunnery in of itself.

[Ardy123]

That's not so much a factor of the accuracy of the weapon, but the difficulties of aerial gunnery in of itself.

True, but makes it very hard to make long range shots. Whether it's the gun, the airplane vibrations, the wind, the g's the airplane is pulling, the angle that the guns are being fired at, I'm just speculating. The fundamental issue is that long range shots are too easy in our sterile AH world, and I'm sure there are many contributing factors that would make, making the long rang shots in RL next to impossible.

[Skuzzy]

doesn't work that well, any brew pilot worth his salt, can use the american made laser....err... 50 cals to hit you from 800+ out...

By the way, don't bullets tumble and go every which way once their speed falls bellow a certain threshold?  

the problem is the laser like guns, which have bullets that remain in perfect spin allowing for completely unrealistic shots.

OMG!  Fixer the laser gunnzz!!!

P51D, target at 800, convergence at maximum settings.  One second burst from all guns in level flight.
I zoomed the target in to make the screenshot clearer.  Go test it yourself.  ".target 800"

[The Fugitive]

Some people are very good at hitting at convergence..... some people just have a hard time accepting this 

[Skuzzy]

And others make claims about things, which are not true at all.

[grizz441]

True, but makes it very hard to make long range shots. Whether it's the gun, the airplane vibrations, the wind, the g's the airplane is pulling, the angle that the guns are being fired at, I'm just speculating. The fundamental issue is that long range shots are too easy in our sterile AH world, and I'm sure there are many contributing factors that would make, making the long rang shots in RL next to impossible.

I've noticed there is usually a 100-200yd disparity between front ends.  If you see a con at 800yds he might be as close as 600yds on his end.

[SlapShot]

True, but makes it very hard to make long range shots. Whether it's the gun, the airplane vibrations, the wind, the g's the airplane is pulling, the angle that the guns are being fired at, I'm just speculating. The fundamental issue is that long range shots are too easy in our sterile AH world, and I'm sure there are many contributing factors that would make, making the long rang shots in RL next to impossible.

Therein lies your problem.