WWI No icon areana

[CGAR]

LOL define "more serious players" if you mean guys that want a surprise advantage over others and are willing spend copious amounts of time to gain that advantage, then perhaps your right.

LOL more serious players , maybe I should have said players looking for a new and different type of challenge.  I think creating a new advantage like hard to see enemies will add more flavor. If I am not mistaken that's one of the things that made dog fighting and this era so exciting. If camouflage/stealth had not been a problem in the WWI skies then there would have been no point in rear view mirrors or observers. Its just a simple add to an arena that is not being used at all. There can be no harm in one experiment whats the worst that can happen we make the game i.e ONE WWI arena slightly different and possibly more appealing and fun?

[Karnak]

Well those 20 + are fools leaving themselves with no targets to shoot at

 The no icon crowed tends to "even up" the sides as the concept of No icons in of it self draws the player looking for a quality experience. The "air quake"
 mentality generally doesn't exist.
Thinking ahead there will be more aircraft to choose from. Be confident. 

I have no objection to one of the WWI arenas being no icons, I just think you are being unrealistically optimistic about players self policing for side balance.  The AvA supposedly drew people wanting a high class of game, but it did nothing to stop people from making the sides massively unbalanced.

[stephen]

Nuts

[jimson]

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Not that I have any problem with the idea, I'd just prefer the AvA have a monopoly on the no-icon set up.

[Nr_RaVeN]

Heheh the age old tactic of somehow making my position more "mature, real, skilled, etc etc", I just don't buy it.  The fact that most folks perfer the icons in NO way (IMHO) makes them airquakers.  Most have played this game for the action and anything that takes away from action (i.e consumes more time to get to action) is viewed as an annoyance.  Icons and radar are simply in the game to make for quicker action, and since at the moment there is NO strat in WWI a no icon arena would simply eliminate one useful arena to accommodate a small number of guys that believe no icons makes them somehow better players than the rest.

Box I have been nothing but respectful in my posts sir. You slightly defencive and argumentative don't cha think?

If you re read  my post you may see were you misunderstood the spirit of it.

 I was responding to a reply, saying that there is a air quake mentality with they type of guys that would not even up the sides.
 Not that all icon fliers are air Quaker's.

 Please don't put words in my mouth and keep putting a negative spin on a reasonable request because YOU don't like the idea. This Idea isn't for you obviously.  

 like I said I have no problem if guys like to fly icons its a choice and a right and if you have a hard time with your eye's you like to have em. NO problem sir.  

But dint stop me from having a place to fly w/o icons that's my right too.  

 Like I said if you don't like it don't fly in there.  I see no problem.

 

Most have played this game for the action and anything that takes away from action (i.e consumes more time to get to action) is viewed as an annoyance.

LOL  
Belive me Box there is more action and more adrenaline pumping with no icons... why the BLLLEP ya think I'm pushing it ...I'm a sim-ahlolic... I fly for the action. I join the side with less players so I can have more targets
 
 No icons is all about action and excitement.
The way the WWI arenas are set up you can see the dots from your base just turn em off and check for your self.

since at the moment there is NO strat in WWI a no icon arena would simply illiminate one useful arena to accomodate a small number of guys that believe no icons makes them somehow better players than the rest.

There are 4 areans only one is being used. That has between 50-80 guys in it... your calling the other 3 useful? Hmm what are they being used for? There empty. let a few guys that like the imagery of the wwI aircraft play in an arena with  Central power air craft fighting allied powers aircraft... bit more historically accurate ,an arena that has no icons making it much less cluttered and exiting to those that are drawn to that type of game play.

To each there own.
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Not that I have any problem with the idea, I'd just prefer the AvA have a monopoly on the no-icon set up.

This Is about WWI  I would think anything to help guys get turned onto no icons would help the AVA And As your not into WWI... well Ill get to you on coms   ........Way to cover my six boss  
RaVe  

[Boxboy]

Well Rave I reread your post and it sure looked like you were saying the "quality" experience is with no icons, and that those who didn't want no icons had an "air quake" mentality.  I have no problem with your OPINION it is just when it is stated as FACT that I object.  If I could see as well on the computer as I can in real life (warthogs fly over my house daily) I would have no problem with no icons, but the facts for me are that I cannot see the shapes like I can in real life and therefore need some type of "aid" to find the enemy and to maintain "SA".

This is the wish area so you have every right to wish for what you please, first one arena goes to no icons and then one goes to the strat guys and then one goes to the gv folks etc etc and then there is only ONE dogfighting arena which fills quickly.

[ScatterFire]

Great idea!

Of course it is only a great idea when the graphic of the plane at 400 yrds looks the same on my laptop (including size and detail) as seeing it in real life.....

Oh wait, someone want to buy me a 60 inch monitor?  

[Karnak]

Nr RaVeN,

Your choice of screenshots is a pretty crappy attempt to downplay the disadvantages of no icons.  If you want to be seen as presenting a fair argument, you need to show the same shot, with and without icons.  Showing one with icons with many other aircraft far away and one with two very close aircraft is disingenuous to put it mildly.

[Krusty]

I like the screenshot with the horde of red icons at 2k. That's barely over 1 mile's distance (danger close) and yet you can't see any of the ones near the ground at all. Just the icons show. The ones against the sky show as single dots.

I love how that illustrates the point perfectly.


P.S. Nobody is arguing you need icons when you're 25 yards from an enemy (as in your second choice of screenshot), at those ranges you're in the fight and you can figure things out. We're arguing that further out it is more than vital to have them. Even closing on a target up to 200 yards or so, you will have a hard time seeing any real detail without the aid of maxiumum zoom (which is not a real solution)

[Nr_RaVeN]

 

With all do respect  Mr K.......
WHAT? YOU  KNOW FULL WELL that's a compresses jaggy screen shot Its a static screen shot as well.

 Actually you can see them, as the dot's movement shows up very clearly , illustrating you haven't any first hand experience with  it.

The dots show up very well against the ground in game at 2k. You can see the gun fire and explosions. Anybody with 3 days experience knows what  there looking for.
 I'm sure a smart guy like you could connect the dots(no pun intended)



 With The WWI A C 2k is not Danger close pfft..

Kind of a cheap shot Krusty.

Based that it would not effect any other arena why bother posting anything read rule #4.

 Its not like I'm requesting the MA be converted. you afraid pepole will like it so much it will change the sim and you will lose your icons?

 That will never happen .

 If theres a place were there is room to do it why not allow it?

Try it first theres no need to toss a grenade into a thread and be as unreasonable as some of you are about it.....

Again this would be a separate arena one out of 4, were only one is active now

Obviously wouldn't interest some of you that post on speculation rather than input based on first hand experience.

But there are many that would like this venue.
 


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On the other hand, I do agree that seeing the screenshots thus far, it has been pretty cluttered.... Perhaps a "smaller" icon, or some minimal version of it for the WW1 arenas? Really clutters up the sky from the vids and pics I've seen.

NOT because the icons are bad, but because they are ugly as sin.

exactly and as a skinner you would think you would understand the imagery of WWI is totally trashed with them on

 So Just turn them off in one arena just one arena, only one, 1,  uno .

 Do you think if I couldn't see or find a fight with icons off I would be actually promoting it?

 Do you think I just want to fly around in circles? Think about it.. obviously it is fun to do,  not at all difficult. I don't have a big monitor and I do just fine. Its fun  


RaVe

[gyrene81]

Great idea!

Of course it is only a great idea when the graphic of the plane at 400 yrds looks the same on my laptop (including size and detail) as seeing it in real life.....

Oh wait, someone want to buy me a 60 inch monitor?  

So wait, your lack of visual acuity is self imposed and it's all because of the program? Stop playing on a laptop, or hook it up to a bigger screen...you would be surprised at what you can see on a 22 inch monitor using the zoom function...I don't have much problem seeing what I need to see out to 800 yards...yes there are limitations, and they are based on the way objects are rendered, but within normal fighting ranges that you would encounter in any arena...you can very well see what you need to see.

If you want to complain about something, try the ambient lighting effects that don't match real life...that's what makes it difficult to spot other planes, painted or not, low on the deck regardless of what position the sun is in...unless you're very close.

[CGAR]

Like Rave said its one UNused arena.  It that type of play is not for you then don't bother selecting it.  I feel while we a are still in the early stages this type of game 'WW1' lets experiment and see if we can make it more appealing.  Choice is not a bad thing for customers.

[Boxboy]

Like Rave said its one UNused arena.  It that type of play is not for you then don't bother selecting it.  I feel while we a are still in the early stages this type of game 'WW1' lets experiment and see if we can make it more appealing.  Choice is not a bad thing for customers.

but you have a choice, just turn icons off for you

[gyrene81]

but you have a choice, just turn icons off for you

you also have a choice...bigger monitor would be the first... 

[Miska]

I've hit on a very nice compromise for myself.  Icons size 10.  Enemy forest green, friendly turquoise.