Author Topic: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P  (Read 9006 times)

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 09:16:07 AM »
I meant from an internet profile/color plate perspective, as well as a model boxart perspective...

There has been swastika censorship in the form of OMISSION for many many decades, but this "replace it with a diamond" business is specifically recent (past 10 years give or take) and on the Internet (regarding color profiles and artwork, etc) it is localized and seems to center around a minority of artists.


Very specifically, these are the sources he is using for his inspiration to put a black diamond on the skin, so very specifically I am talking about them.

NOT the general swastika removal that we've seen since post-WW2. I'm not talking about that.

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 02:10:01 PM »
If it is on model box art, can those models be sold in Germany and France?  Given the laws, I doubt it and thus it goes back to the same thing, not some new found PC issue.
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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 02:16:16 PM »
It's not that simple. For international shipping, many model manufacturers simply don't include it on the art, have the swastiks literally cut out (by hand) from the decal sheets, and have their own special "export to germany/europe" versions. You're trying to force a topic that is other than what I am talking about.

I am not discussing the illegality of the swastika in Germany.

I'm not discussing it's censorship/absence in many types of artwork on model boxes or in model decals or internet artwork.

Specifically, the practice of obcsuring it with a big black diamond shape is very recent.

You can also look and see hyper-paranoia kick in when some companies censor the boxart of Finnish craft (mostly Japanese companies, again seems to be a trend with the sources), by turning the roundel to a while field with a blue "+" sign.

You're not grasping the point. It's not that there has been censorship, it's this type of substitution is a recent trend.

I can't explain it any clearer, and if you don't get it I'm just going to move on.

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 01:57:16 PM »
First place I saw the black diamond in place of the swastika, that I can remember, was in Il-2.
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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2010, 08:21:06 AM »
I decided to keep the little markings, im about to send this to HTC



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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 09:28:21 AM »
Now that I have some clear views of the top, I think your camo demarcation on the wings is a bit off....

It's way too ragged and splotchy. They actually put a pattern to it most of the time. It was like a waveform pattern. Best seen in your previous picture here:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8763/swastika2b.jpg

Sort of seen on this modern replica (but they placed it too low):
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/pictures/bf109/bf-109-G14-replica.jpg

Wartime example:
http://www.adlertag.de/bilder/me109g6_3.gif

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 06:11:09 AM »
nice skin Dutch
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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 11:52:51 AM »
Great skin DutchGuy! The G14AS does not have the bulges like the regular G14 does, will they still accept this?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2010, 11:58:39 AM by Krupinski »

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2010, 04:49:19 AM »
I meant from an internet profile/color plate perspective, as well as a model boxart perspective...

There has been swastika censorship in the form of OMISSION for many many decades, but this "replace it with a diamond" business is specifically recent (past 10 years give or take) and on the Internet (regarding color profiles and artwork, etc) it is localized and seems to center around a minority of artists.


Very specifically, these are the sources he is using for his inspiration to put a black diamond on the skin, so very specifically I am talking about them.

NOT the general swastika removal that we've seen since post-WW2. I'm not talking about that.
The practice for the diamond may have been around a lot longer than you might think based off this photo.



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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2010, 06:11:45 AM »
Dutch, put the Swastika on the tail and you're golden with this skin. Believe me, it was there.




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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2010, 07:18:54 AM »
Dutch, put the Swastika on the tail and you're golden with this skin. Believe me, it was there.




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Swastikas are not allowed in the game. The question is whether to replace it with nothing or with a black diamond. The common practice in-game is to simply leave the space blank.

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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2010, 11:38:05 AM »
Not allowe you say? Explain the Brewster please.



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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2010, 10:21:43 PM »
What is behind “3” on the top right on the first pic?  And this the triangle marking on the far left of the “3” in the right place in the second pic? 
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Re: Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2010, 11:37:28 PM »
If it's a triangle, it's a fill-spout indicator, meaning behind this removable patch you can fill up precious fluids. The one you're thinking of is fuel. It's yellow. Some red ones are for oil (and are located on the nose instead of the fuselage). There is a number inside the triangle for the fuel required of this plane, B2, C3, etc.