What is with the uber zeke

[wgmount]

when did the zeke start being able to dive turn and pull lead at 500 mph?

[Mar]

Maybe it was the day you forgot to start filming?


No offense, just trying to be funny.

[kingcobradude]

when did the zeke start being able to dive turn and pull lead at 500 mph?

you forgot one hit kills with bullets that barely touch your  plane while being pounded by full gun load of p38

[Ack-Ack]

when did the zeke start being able to dive turn and pull lead at 500 mph?

Going to need to see a film on this.  Having fought a couple of Zekes last night in the MW arena, none of them were able to follow me in a dive nor any turn with me above 350mph IAS.

you forgot one hit kills with bullets that barely touch your  plane while being pounded by full gun load of p38

Again, post the film.  In the engagement I had with the Zekes (A6M5s), each one died with a single burst of .50s from my P-38.

ack-ack

[wgmount]

well, you're right I didn't film it but I wasn't expecting it. I mean a zeke diving from 15 k with a hog then at the bottom making a hard right and then a hard left well in excess of 450. I do admit i forgot to shift my stick back from mode 2 gv's to mode 1 airplanes but that zeke was doing stuff I had never seen before. I tried to go back and find him but the field was capped and I didn't make it.

[Krusty]

They've been quite adept at diving and high speed manuvers for a long time. It's been quite annoying. Only thing to do is force them to bleed off what E you can, and then you have some room to manuver.

[wgmount]

I satisfied my own curiosity. I got it up to 518 with combat trim on if he manually trimmed it probably a little faster.

[Ack-Ack]

If you were in an A6M5b, then it isn't a bug as the A6M5b would have been able to reach those speeds as shown in the screenshots while in a dive.  The dive speed restriction was 400knots (460.31mph TAS) and just because it had a dive speed restriction doesn't mean there was something mechanical that prevented it from exceeding those speeds in a dive.  It was just a safety restriction warning the pilot that beyond those speeds may cause things to go south for the pilot.


ack-ack

[wgmount]

I thought it was the control mechanisms were so weak that the airflow over the wings would cause them to be less functional same as the bf109. I thought this would happen at around 400. oh well I've been wrong before.

[Ack-Ack]

I thought it was the control mechanisms were so weak that the airflow over the wings would cause them to be less functional same as the bf109. I thought this would happen at around 400. oh well I've been wrong before.

At high speeds, around 325mph TAS or so, the controls do stiffen on the Zeke but without a film to see it happening it's hard to make any determination.  There are just some things you can't tell from a screenshot.

But you may be right and there could be a bug.  I found one with the P-38 after patch 4 that allowed it to dive way beyond it's dive limits without suffering any negative affects and be able to easily maneuver at speeds of 575mph+.  Thankfully, it was fixed in Patch 5.

ack-ack

[Noah17]

I was in the DA a few days ago flying and F4U-1A. I had a zeke easily turn behind me at a distance of about 800 while at 424 MPH. I was diving and rolled left and pulled hard going in to full blackout for 2 seconds then eased the stick back(I didn't lose control) and the zeke was right there with me.

I've complained about the zeke before. Over 300-350 the controls are supposed to stiffen because of the general design (airflow) and there is no hydraulic assist for the pilot. People are just not strong enough to be able to pull the stick in real life......But in AH the pilot I've been told is modeled as "superhuman strong." The strength of U.S. planes vs. Jap planes throughout a good part of the war was the ability to dive away but, that is not handled well here.

I don't think I still have the film. I've complained about it before only to get the same answer about "pilot modeling" so I didn't bother. I don't know if manual trim would help that much. Was the pilot of this zeke "pounding the K button?" If he did would that keep him behind me in the F4U's high speed turn?

[FLS]

Noah the A6m has difficulty rolling right at high speeds. You went left.

[TequilaChaser]

I was diving and rolled left and pulled hard going in to full blackout for 2 seconds then eased the stick back(I didn't lose control) and the zeke was right there with me.

a 2 second full blackout is really a significant time to be blacked out, especially when you do not know if the opponent was blacked out or not, if he did not black out he could have easily got inside your turn.......


* not taking into account the speeds at which you posted, 424 mph........ he possibly could have eased off on the G's once you initially blacked out and he was in the tunnel.....
 

[Wiley]

Tequila's got it right.  Just because you black out at the bottom of the dive pulling hard, and particularly changing direction after doing it, the enemy might have changed trajectory in several ways to lessen the angles and their need to pull Gs.  The ease we can put trim in might also account for it.

There's just no substitute, this is definitely the kind of thing that needs film to prove it.

Wiley.

[morfiend]

 I did some testing with Wingmount last night and there is no bug,I climbed to 23k and dove to 520TAS and started into compression.A 2G pullout snapped both elevators off,there was some control stiffening above 350TAS as there should be.

 If anything maybe the controls could use abit more stiffening above 400/450 TAS but nothing seemed much different from the Zeke in versions past.