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Offline thorsim

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Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« on: May 08, 2010, 06:03:19 AM »


  ouch ...



  that is all ...
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 07:27:47 AM »
*Bows Deeply*

Ahhh so many of us sacrificed ourselves gloriously in our "Betty Mitchells" in service of His Imperial Majesty last night.  It was great honor to die in flames making sure that the bases of the allied dogs were left in smoking ruins from our mighty bombs.

BANZAI!

But seriously... salute to the Allied squads defending V25 last night, you guys were like a swarm of angry hornets dropping in on us.  We got the job done, but you darn sure made us pay for it.
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 11:35:26 AM »
No surprises here, totally expected the outcome.
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 03:15:21 PM »
Strike on V20 was also decimated.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 04:24:56 PM »
Again sorry guys not much else to do. Allies only had to defend and wait for us. Hope the next frames are better
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 04:52:51 PM »
Our attack group did well.. We enjoyed frame 1. Thanks to all our escorts..   Bino, Grizz ,   :salute...
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2010, 04:53:46 PM »
If you are going to attack, then defend!
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2010, 10:11:31 PM »
You guys at A25 took us by surprise.  We were at 14k-18K and no one had eyes on the ground.  I could not see you guys at all.  I just followed squaddies and by the time we got to you all you were already  over target.  <S> for your decimation of the base.   Poor 25's just couldn't defend there 6.
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 06:35:35 AM »
Well I have a beef, and its a big one. Frankly if I had realized that this is what we had to look forward to I'm not sure I'd of signed up for this setup. I would have rather taken a month off than be subjected to this kind of setup.

What ever happened to a CM's primary job, which was to enable a level playing field for both sides?
Cause I sure do not see it in this setup.

If you want to run this kind of setup, you need to run the frame twice. Once your allies, and the next your axis. No exceptions. Then score the difference. That way everyone gets hit the same.


When the defenders have no targets that they must attack, they can layer defense to the point that no one and nothing can get through. Of our 15 Val pilots I was the only one that actually managed to get a bomb on target. And only because I was in the lead. And even then I had a p40 ripping chunks off as I was releasing my bombs.

Most of my flight never saw the target. The closer to the target you got, the worse it was.

Frankly if it wasn't for the fact that long ago I helped build and setup FSO I'd run a bloody revolution.
I'd tear this thing down around your heads and run you out of town on a rail.

How long do you think FSO can continue if you you run setups where it is impossible for one side to win?
Seriously

If you designed this setup, you should be ashamed of yourself. For you have forgotten your primary duty.
Your job is not to decide who wins. Your job is to provide a level playing field and let it play out.




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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2010, 07:09:49 AM »
Frankly if it wasn't for the fact that long ago I helped build and setup FSO I'd run a bloody revolution.
I'd tear this thing down around your heads and run you out of town on a rail.

How long do you think FSO can continue if you you run setups where it is impossible for one side to win?
Seriously

If you designed this setup, you should be ashamed of yourself. For you have forgotten your primary duty.
Your job is not to decide who wins. Your job is to provide a level playing field and let it play out.

The hubris isn't helpful Ghost.  I made a mistake on side-balancing which will be fixed.  Sorry--it was my fault.

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2010, 07:37:20 AM »
Frankly if it wasn't for the fact that long ago I helped build and setup FSO I'd run a bloody revolution.
I'd tear this thing down around your heads and run you out of town on a rail.

I doubt you'd have much of a following.

I made a mistake on side-balancing which will be fixed.  Sorry--it was my fault.

Stoney, it's not easy to predict how a setup will play out before it flies. Sometimes no matter how hard you work a lemon will get out.
The fact that you take responsibility and endeavor to correct and improve the setup is way more impressive than any rant. Your efforts are appreciated, thanks.

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2010, 09:11:45 AM »
i am not advocating planning by committee, however there is a need for some communications and input in the planning and or preparation stages ...

is there an axis/allied secure board system here someplace that i am missing someplace? ...

my OP was just an observation, and a bit of humor and release.

no blame assessed on my part, Godzilla buddy ++S++ the lord taketh and the lord giveth away, all you can hope to do is learn in the process ...

stoney, CM is an art and quite frankly both sides imo need a steep hill to climb now and again, builds character.

i am very much a work hard to design em right, then play them out, and evaluate after kind of event player.

you see as i look at it frame one is a challenge and now IJN has a lot of work to do to step up and make a better showing, i'm sort of disappointed that the challenge may not be the same next frame as now i feel the allies are tasking me and i want to pay them back. 

anyway sorry i never meant for this thread to become a tear filled pile on, especially one directed at the CMs ...

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all

back to my hole ...

 

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2010, 09:49:26 AM »
You guys at A25 took us by surprise.  We were at 14k-18K and no one had eyes on the ground.  I could not see you guys at all.  I just followed squaddies and by the time we got to you all you were already  over target.  <S> for your decimation of the base.   Poor 25's just couldn't defend there 6.

Hehe... I was flight lead for the B-25's going into V25.  We were on final approach to bomb release and I look back and up and I see a single I-16 with about 20 little black dots above him.  I called it out, but it was too late for us to do anything but stay on target at that point.  What we did manage to do was pull you guys down so the rest of our strike group in the D3A's and Zekes coming in high were able to have an easier time finishing off the base.  But what we didnt plan on was not meeting up with the escorts for the 25's. :huh

I actually made it through the bomb run, hit my targets, and out to sea (with wings creaking at 300 + kph), turned back in to the NE to head home and then ran into 5 or 6 of ya!  A BIG  :salute to hymi.  He took down all 3 of my ships.  I got a few pings on him here and there, but the 25C has a deadly blind spot and he knew just how to stay in it no matter how much I banked and jinked.  The most painful part was that with the BB's he was shooting at me... that chase took FOREVER!  He must have hit me 1000 times  :x while I was screaming out to nearby pilots "Can I get some help here????!!!!"  I attribute my getting shot down to my own error of not going further out to sea before I headed for home, as much as I do to the pilot that got me. 

Now... as for the setup, I didnt have a problem with it at all.  True, the Allies were able to commit all of their resources to defense.  But the Axis was able to do the same for offense.  We took some casualties, but as for our target, we flattened it.  From what I hear, other strike groups did the same.  I think both sides learned some lessons on Frame 1, and will bring them to the table for Frames 2 & 3. 

I think part of FSO is portraying how it really was.  There were plenty of times that an "overwhelming force met an immovable object".  That is exactly what happened this week.  It gave the CiC's a chance to focus on one aspect... either attack, or defense.   It was definitely a change from the standard procedure.  While the IJN may have gotten crushed in some areas, they did their job in others.  It will be interesting to see what we get for Frames 2 & 3.

All in all... I had a good time in FSO as I always do.  BIG  :salute to the CM Staff, the CiC's and all the players who make FSO something to look forward to each week.

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2010, 10:27:00 AM »
Our attack group did well.. We enjoyed frame 1. Thanks to all our escorts..   Bino, Grizz ,   :salute...
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I dunno how I got 6 kills though...I am the worst pile-it :headscratch:

With JG11 and AOM escorting WD40...I think they made it through pretty well.
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 1 ...
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2010, 10:27:41 AM »
This setup should have had 75% of the allies on the runway waiting for a radar contact/ visual contact by scouts.  Then the rest of the Alied could then take off.  Not be waiting like wolf packs at 25K or higher.  Something like this is what was done in WWII.  U had squadrons out scouting while the main force was in the mess hall having coffee, playing cards, etc...  When contact was made, they scrambled to defend the target.  This type of setup would have been more suitable and fair for the axis and may even been more of a realistic approach of what really happened in WWII.
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