FW-190 question

[whipster22]

they ain't .30s they're .50s 

p.s. fly it

[Spikes]

Your Ki-84 just barely outclimbs the 190, is just 4mph faster on the deck, is out rolled by the 190's and is VASTLY inferior in diving. Also its just about made of cardboard, even .30's are enough to scare that thing.


Doesn't sound like much of an improvment, especially concidering the drop in firepower you get from A5 and A8, and the drop in preformance from the D9.

I lol'd.

[Blooz]

they ain't .30s they're .50s  
p.s. fly it

The cowl guns on the FW190a5 are .30's (7.92mm)

He's talking about .30's being enough to smoke the KI-84.

[Karnak]

Your Ki-84 just barely outclimbs the 190, is just 4mph faster on the deck, is out rolled by the 190's and is VASTLY inferior in diving. Also its just about made of cardboard, even .30's are enough to scare that thing.


Doesn't sound like much of an improvment, especially concidering the drop in firepower you get from A5 and A8, and the drop in preformance from the D9.

Ki-84 is a pretty tough fighter, FYI.  Certainly as tough as the Fw190A-5 and much tougher than Spitfires of any kinds.

I don't know where you got the idea that .30s scare it.

[Nemisis]

Ki-84 isn't exactly "tough" IMO. I've seen ones wing break off from a few 20mm hits.

I've seen one explode after flying through a stream of bullets from a P-47.

[Vulcan]

A5's are very nimble, you need to use rudder/roll/and throttle (just like the La's) together. The A5 will happily get inside ponies and jugs, and defensively the ability to change direction quickly makes it a difficult target for the turners. Sometimes it's fun to lure spixteen onto your 6, work some scissors in and give him a fright.

[BaldEagl]

The ki-84 rolls like a Fw.190 and turns better, better climber (non-zoom) and turns better than those darn spits


caparison(vs A-5)  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

please tell me if link is broken 

I'm sorry but the Ki-84 rolls nothing like any of the 190's and being a long time Spit pilot I've never seen a Ki-84 that I couldn't out-turn.

[Karnak]

Ki-84 isn't exactly "tough" IMO. I've seen ones wing break off from a few 20mm hits.

I've seen one explode after flying through a stream of bullets from a P-47.

A few 20mm hits will break the wing off of any fighter.  A few .50 cal hits will do so for a Spitfire.

Pilot kills don't tell us anything about durability as every fighter is vulnerable to them.

[Krusty]

All these disparaging remarks! Oh my!

First, the Fw190A5 may have a decent WEP climb rate when light, but the climb rate drops with the MG/FF, and the A8 suffers horribly when compared to it. The Ki84 may "match" the 190A5 in climb rate, but overall is a much much better dogfighter.


You might as well say the Fw190A5 is superior to the A6M5b. Surely it is in some areas if you compare only the specs, but as an overall dogfighter, the A6m5b is far better in most ways. The same is true with the Ki84. I've flown both the 190 line and the Ki84 extensively in my AH career. I'm not saying the 190s are bad (and please note I still love them), but I am saying that a 190A5/A8/D8 comes up against a Ki84 and it'll be dead (unless it's a D9 and runs away with superior speed).


Food for thought: Very few planes in this game break 4000 fpm climb rates. Top 10% probably. The Ki-84 is one of them. It floats on a stall with full flaps down to 80mph and less in a dogfight. It can out-spiral climb almost anything in the game. It has rapid fire 20mm guns that can kill almost anything in a single hit. Not sure where all this plane bashing is coming from. It's a damn good plane.

[VonMessa]

Ki84 sheds parts at speeds that the FW-190 series a/c are just getting warmed up at 

[Karnak]

Ki84 sheds parts at speeds that the FW-190 series a/c are just getting warmed up at 

Not quite that bad, but yes, that is basically true.

[Krusty]

I'd still love to know what prompted HTC to model it that way.... It wasn't that way originally, then they updated it and whammo, all of a sudden you lose all 5 control surfaces in a dive. What a rude surprise, and IMO doesn't seam realistic.

[Nemisis]

A few 20mm hits will break the wing off of any fighter.  A few .50 cal hits will do so for a Spitfire.

Pilot kills don't tell us anything about durability as every fighter is vulnerable to them.

Literally a few, like 3-4? My A5's taken at least 6 before, and I've chewed up a jug with my 20mm's only to have it limp home.

Either 99% of the hit sprites I see are my 7.62's, or the A5's cannons are fubar.


And I guess you are right, I forgot about the pilot kill insta-explode thing.

[Saurdaukar]

Literally a few, like 3-4? My A5's taken at least 6 before, and I've chewed up a jug with my 20mm's only to have it limp home.

Either 99% of the hit sprites I see are my 7.62's, or the A5's cannons are fubar.


And I guess you are right, I forgot about the pilot kill insta-explode thing.

Your 20mm's are fine.  The hit sprites your are seeing are 8mm rounds.  Try firing the 20mm's exclsively to get a feel for the ballistics.  The 8mm and the 20mm dont work well together - serving only to throw off aim in my experience.

[MjTalon]

Take the A5, best overall Fw190 in my opinion as well as several others I can name off the top of my head that fly her exclusively as well as myself back when I was actively in the game. Even have a film highlighting what a Rotte` of A5's can do in a gaggle.  


Edit:

Here's the youtube link, let me know if it stops mid film ( previously had issues with that ) and I'll upload the AH FV version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mChvWeNgVZY