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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2010, 11:24:26 AM »
No tango at 190a8 used WEP in the test . You think this acceleration is correct comparatively ?
Why do you think it isn't?

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2010, 11:50:45 AM »
Yes the second statement is much clearer. And after re-reading the mounds of information to the point of hairy eyeballs, the whole picture is clearer, and I've been struggling to digest this stuff for months.  :cry

 :cheers: You have leveled up in Hitech's sacred order of aerodweebs.  Don't you know that hairy eyeballs, confusion, and brains exploding are part of Hitech & Pyro's rites of initiation into the order??  Silly you for missing that when you joined AH. :D

EDIT: I hear HiTech would recommend scotch over tylenol!  Personally the stuff tastes like gasoline to me - bleh!

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2010, 03:06:39 PM »
:cheers: You have leveled up in Hitech's sacred order of aerodweebs.  Don't you know that hairy eyeballs, confusion, and brains exploding are part of Hitech & Pyro's rites of initiation into the order??  Silly you for missing that when you joined AH. :D
LOL...must have been part of that really tiny print at the bottom of the sign up sheet...you know, the stuff you don't read because it looks like "blah blah blah".



EDIT: I hear HiTech would recommend scotch over tylenol!  Personally the stuff tastes like gasoline to me - bleh!
I hear ya, I've tried lot of different brands/types of scoth out of curiosity and I'd rather gargle with hi octane racing fuel.
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2010, 02:55:12 AM »
If you get taken out by a Buffalo in any 109 short of an E, your a complete boob or asleep at the stick.

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2010, 04:01:21 AM »
"Something that doesn't make sense to me is the shape of the curves that depict Brewster's climb rate in both the Pilot's Viewpoint II and AHT (the black curve is from the former book) considering Cyclone has two speed supercharger. Looking at the Cyclones power curves, HTC's climb curves make much more sense in that regard. Are those real life curves averaged out after the first gear. I mean that's how it looks like but doesn't really make much sense to depict them that way IMO? "

It does look a bit strange.

http://llv24.com/main_files/historia/brewster.html

"Parhaan nousukyvyn saamiseksi ahdin vaihdettiin korkealle vaihteelle, kun ahtopaine pieneni arvoon 75 cmHg täydellä kaasulla (tämä tapahtui noin 3 km:n korkeudessa)."

-> "To obtain the best climb speed the supercharger was switched to high gear when boost reduced to value 75cmHg on full throttle (this took place approximately at 3 km height."

And that fits the AH chart close enough. Only explanation I can think of for the BW-366's climb curve is the use of high gear from the start and the pilot has had to limit the throttle manually for not to over boost. Due to worse initial climb the arrival to optimum height of high gear is left unnoticed except that at maximum height the curves are again close indicating the use of high gear.

Would that explain it?

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2010, 07:51:47 AM »
Would that explain it?

Yeh, that would explain it IMO. But why would they do it? Seems really strange thing to do.

Since the gear shift had to be done at low power setting and took a few moments...I guess one reason could be that the shifting of the gear wouldn't "mess up" the results as they probably were timing it at the same time?

I sure would like to get my hands on that original Finnish report... I've been meaning to do some digging but haven't gotten around to it.
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2010, 11:02:13 AM »
If you get taken out by a Buffalo in any 109 short of an E, your a complete boob or asleep at the stick.
Yeah, so says the 1337 experten. Try using a 109F-4 and taking on a Brew with a good stick flying it...you will get boobed.




Is there an english translation of that link Charge? The one time a pilot would want "best climb speed" is just after take off to reach safe altitude. Considering the process of attaining best climb speed, wouldn't they do that while enroute to their AO?
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2010, 11:10:18 AM »
"Is there an english translation of that link Charge?"

Couldn't find any, sorry. Does Wmaker know?

Lots of interesting info there, though. Maybe enough beer and bad luck online and I'd cool myself by translating best parts of it.

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2010, 11:13:01 AM »
Like Wrongway I agree that there is a methodology to dispatching Brewsters.  They are far too slow to extend away or catch up to you.  Just rinse and repeat.  Kudos to the pilots willing to BNZ them from alt.  I don't have the patience to climb them up that High.  Like any plane with superior alt, they will get some kills.  If you get caught TNB'ing on the deck by a Brewster then this is just simple bad SA.
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #114 on: June 11, 2010, 12:04:52 PM »
Does Wmaker know?

Well here's the most interesting part of it translated by my squadmate Ville "Camo" Pitkänen probably around 10 years or so ago. I'm sure he won't mind and most probably Mr. Raunio won't mind either. :)

Translated from:

Lentäjän Näkökulma 2 ("Pilot's Point of View 2")
Jukka Raunio 1993
ISBN 951-96866-0-6

Raunio is an aeronautical engineer working at the Finnish state aircraft factory (Patria nowadays) and has written numerous books on the Finnish Air Force.


Brewster Model 239

Structure and Flying

The one part wing went through the fuselage. The wing profile in the root was NACA 23018 and in the tip NACA 23009. The V-angle was 5.5 degrees, and the wing had a negative arrow shape of one degree at the quarter point of the wing span. The main part of the load bearing structure was a stiffened box spar made of aluminium alloy. It was divided into two integral fuel tanks. The parts of the wing in front and behind the spar were of a half-shell construction, made of duraluminium. The wing was water tight to make it float in water. To reduce air drag, all the surface plating was countersunk riveted. The wing tips were separate and detachable. The wing spar had provision to attach two 100 lb (45 kg) bombs. The ailerons had a duraluminium frame, which was cloth covered. The left aileron had a trim tab, adjustable from the cockpit. The aileron was aerodynamically balanced from the leading edge (20 %). In addition, it was mass balanced both statically and dynamically. The hydraulic flaps were of all metallic structure. They were freely adjustable up to 60 degrees.

Also the fuselage was of typical half-shell structure: fuselage ribs, longitudinal stiffeners and surface plates.  The plates were countersunk riveted. The front part (engine mount and attachment for the side strut of the landing gear) was welded crome-molybdenum tube and was bolted into the fuselage. The fuselage was short and barrel-like. Under and behind a pilot, one could transport for example two passengers and a dog. Transporting a mechanic, although officially forbidden, was not uncommon during transfer flights. The claustrofobia of the passengers was eased by the open floor of the cockpit area and the bombing window at the bottom, although it was often covered or painted over.  The tail planes were of half-shell construction. They had an aluminium frame, cloth cover and an aerodynamic leading edge easening (22.6 and 18 %). Both the rudder and elevator had trim tabs.

The landing gear was retracted hydraulically. The pump was driven by the auxiliary equipment gear of the engine. The set value of the excess pressure valve was 1100 psi (77 kg/cm^2). The retracting cylinder was in the center of the fuselage and connected to the oblique spars with two hoisting struts. The diameter of the main landing gear tires was 27 inches. Also the tail wheel retracted. The brakes were separate, pedal type and easy to use. The integral fuel tank of the wing was separated into two, the volume of each was 300 liters. A part of the left tank formed a 95 liter auxiliary tank. The fuel tank switch had four positions: right and left main tank, auxiliary tank and shut. The oil tank was located in the forward part of the fuselage, in front of the firewall. The volume of the oil tank was 41 liters.

The take off power of the nine cylinder Wright R-1920-G5 engine at sea level was 950 HP, corresponding to 2200 RPM and 104 cmHg boost pressure. "Combat power" (1000 HP on the deck, 800 HP at 4900 meters) was limited to 5 minutes. Nominal power was 850 HP at sea level (2100 RPM / 93 cmHg) and 750 HP (2100 RPM / 86 cmHg) at 15000 ft (4570 meters).  The blower was two stage.  Normally the low gear was used, but at altitudes above 10000ft (3 km) the high gear could be used to improve climb performance. The three blade Hamilton Standard constant speed propeller had a diameter of 9 ft (2.74 m). The restrictor setting range was 13 to 31 degrees.

The engine used a 15 V generator, powering the cruise lights, landing spotlight (retractable, under the left wing), cockpit lights, radio, the machine gun firing mechanism and the electric cockpit gauges. The battery was originally a 12 V Exide S-17, but it was changed into a Varta battery in Finland. The radio (transmitter RCA AVT-7B, receiver RCA AVR-8D) operated at 6100 and 6240 Hz frequencies. The receiver had a homing device, but there were no homing beacons used in Finland. The range of the radio was good at the time, several tens of kilometers between planes. The BW had an oxygen system (5 liter bottle) with the necessary controls. A fire extinguisher was also installed, which would empty itself in to the engine compartment if used. The original armament was two 0.50 inch (12.7 mm) Colt MG 53-2 machine guns in the wings (400 rounds / gun), a third syncronized in the fuselage (200 rounds) and one 0.30 inch (7.7mm)  Colt MG 40 (600 rounds) syncronized in the fuselage. By 1943, all planes but one had been installed with a fourth heavy machine gun (12.7mm). The Brewsters had a simple bead sight when imported, then a binocular sight for a while, and eventually a Revi 3c / Väisälä reflector sight.


Cockpit Arrangements

The carrier plane had steps and handles for cockpit entry on both sides of the fuselage. The canopy could be easily opened during flight, and it could be locked fully open and in two partly open positions. The cockpit was roomy and well arranged. Throughout the times, the American war planes have been designed to large pilots rather than medium sized or even smaller. Visibility was good to all directions, especially behind. However, the forward visibility was hindered a bit by the angle of the side window screens. The seat could be adjusted about 14 cm vertically. The slightly angled seat back gave a comfortable seating position. The range of the stick was quite big: 22 cm forward and to both sides of the neutral position and 24 cm back of the neutral position. The machine gun trigger was located at the top of the control stick. The pedals moved 8 cm forward-back and they could be adjusted. Also the brake pedals could be adjusted in relation to the rudder pedals.

The instrument panel was rigidly attached to the fuselage structure. As a peculiarity the plane had a sliding chart board for maps. The gauges were mainly aqcuired by the Finns and had european units. The prop pitch control knob was located in the lower left corner of the panel. The forward position of the knob corresponded to take off rpms (small pitch angle) and the back position of the knob corresponded to large prop pitch angles.  The pitch angles could be freely adjusted in between by turning the knob. Primer pump, carburator heat switch and starter switch were located in the lower right corner of the panel.  The throttle lever, blower gear switch and mixture lever were located in the lever box in the left wall of the cockpit. The fuel hand pump was in the side of the lever box. The wheels for the elevator-, rudder- and aileron trims were in their own console on the left.

The landing gear was extended by pressing the T-shaped lever, which was located right of the seat, in to free the lock, then push the lever down. When the landing gear indicator, located below the instrument panel, showed the gear to be fully extended and simultaneously the hydraulic pressure rose, the lever was returned to the mid position.  The lever had a safety switch, which prevented accidental retracting of the gear. When retracting the gear, the safety had to be released, before pressing the T-shaped lever and pulling the landing gear lever up. If the system malfunctioned, the gear could be extended and retracted with the hand pump (on the right side of the seat) or by just opening the auxiliary valve and pulling the "emergency extension" handle (in the bottom part of the instrument panel). After that the landing gear had to be locked by pulling down on another lever. A light lit up on the instrument panel when the RPMs were under 1200 and the gear was up.

The flaps were operated with a switch (right of the seat). When extending the flaps the switch was turned down. When the flaps were in the preferred position, the switch was returned to the mid position. The flap position indicator was located in the bottom part of the instrument panel. When retracting the flaps, the switch was turned to the up-position. If the system malfuctioned, the hand pump was used. 31 pumping motions corresponded to the full 60 degrees of extension. The ignition switch was in the console on the left wall. All the electric switches and the reostat-switch (?) of the lighting was in the console on the right wall. The handles to load the guns were at the bottom of the instrument panel and on the floor on the right side of the cockpit. The switches for the oxygen system, radio and fire extinguisher were on the right wall of the cockpit.
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« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2010, 12:05:54 PM »
Start Up, Taxiing and Takeoff

During start up, takeoff and landing the left side fuel tank had to be used. The mixture lever was set to full rich and the hand pump was used to get approximately 0.2 kg/cm^2 of pressure. Five primer pushes were given to a cold engine. Pumping with the throttle was forbidden by the manual. The throttle was set to correspond to 800-1000 RPM. Making sure that the prop pitch control knob was fully forward, the blower at small gear, the ignition was switched to both magnetos. The pilot maintained the fuel pressure with the hand pump, as the mechanic turned the starter crank (in the forward fuselage on the right side). When the starter had accelerated enough, the pilot engaged it to the engine, which also switched on the starting ignition. For the warm up the prop control knob was pulled back. Before the engine test run, the oil had to heat up to approximately 30 degrees. The oil heated quickly, because the oil tank thermostat routed the cold oil past the oil cooler. During the test run the brakes kept the plane in place, and the tail didn't try to rise. The BW taxied at 700 RPM on a level air field. With the tail wheel unlocked, the turning radius was only approximately 12 meters. Using the brakes the plane could be turned on the spot.

The pre flight check was simple and quick: tailwheel locked, prop pitch small angles, blower at small gear, mixture rich, fuel tank switch on left tank, air intake cold, trims set, controls unobstructed and flaps retracted. The throttle was opened fully. The propeller screamed exceptionally nasty at low pitch angles. The takeoff itself was a quick event. The tail lifted after approximately 30 meters, swaying was minimal and the direction was easily kept. The BW lifted off at a speed of 120 km/h. The length of the takeoff run on a calm day was 140-160 meters, taking 8-9 seconds.  Total distance to 15 meters altitude was approximately 350 meters. Using the flaps wasn't necessary during takeoff. British tests with a Brewster model 339B showed that 26 degrees of flap reduced the takeoff run by approximately 10 %, but reduced the initial climb rate.  After liftoff, the gear was retracted, manifold pressure was set to the continuous range (93 cmHg or below) and the RPMs below 2100. Retracting the landing gear created a noticeable nose-up moment. The best climb speed was approximately 220 km/h. Rolls and slips were levelled with the trims. During summer, the cylinder head heat came close to the maximum values (briefly 260, continuous 235 degrees Celcius).


Performance in Level Flight and Climb

The Brewster was one of only a few of our fighters that which performed according to the manufacturer specifications. The promised climb time to 15000 feet, 4572 meters, on nominal power was exactly 6 minutes with 2275 kg and 6.7 minutes with 2387 kg takeoff weight. A Finnish Brewster, equipped with a seat armor and other modifications, weighed 2020 kg with all accessories, weapons loaded and with the oil tank full. With the pilot and 300 kg's of fuel, the typical take off weight was 2415 kg. Figure 1 shows the climb times and the calculated climb rates at different altitudes, from the test flight with BW-366. The take off weight is not known, but had to have been somewhere between 2300-2400 kg. The manifold pressure was 93 cmHg at takeoff and RPMs at 2100. The climb performance corresponds fully to the manufacturer specifications. Climb speed was 220 km/h IAS at low altitudes, reducing to 180 km/h at 5 kilometers.

To achieve best climb performance, the blower was switched to high gear when the manifold pressure dropped to 75 cmHg on full throttle (this happened at approximately 3 km altitude).  When changing the gear, the throttle was reduced to soften the change. The blower gear could not be changed again in 5 minutes. The clutch had to be allowed to cool off. The automatic mixture control of the carburator functioned when using the low gear of the blower. If the engine ran roughly on high gear, the mixture had to be manually adjusted. On high power settings, the mixture lever had to be fully forward, corresponging to full rich. Below 550 HP (low gear) and 450 HP (high gear) then mixture had to be in the cruise setting. Flying with the high gear during cruise was not recommended due to the knocking risk.

Figure 2 shows the flight speed test flown with BW-366. This particular plane was one of the best front line planes during the Continuation War. Top speed at sea level was 428 km/h and the top speed of 480 km/h was achieved at the blower operational altitude (4750 meters on nominal power in static conditions. In practise, due to the intake ram effect, a little higher). The correlation to the manufacturer specifications is, again, excellent. According to those, the top speed at altitude is 484 km/h and 427 km/h at sea level. The Brewster was clearly faster than any other main fighter type we had during the beginning of the Continuation War. The Cyclone-Curtiss, which we had in small numbers, was about as fast even though it had 200 HP more engine power.

On the maximum continuous power, nominal power, fuel consumption was approximately 370 liters/hour at low altitudes. The full 600 liters was good for approximately 1.5 hours of flight. The range was 600-700 km, depending on flight altitude. A normal cruise power setting at 2000 meters altitude was 1850 RPM / 65 cmHg (65% power). The corresponding indicated air speed reading was 330 km/h and true air speed 390 km/h (the air speed gauge showed approximately 25 km/h too slow at cruise speeds). Fuel consumption at lean mixture was 170 liters/hour, corresponding flight time without reserves was 3h30min and range 1350 km. By flying with lower speeds, flight times of well over four hours could be achieved. BW was well suited for patrol and escort missions otherwise, but the oxygen lasted for only 30-40 minutes.

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2010, 12:09:27 PM »
Flight Characteristics

Longitudinal stability with normal loading (center of gravity 27-29 % MAC) was slightly positive. The stick force gradient was small but sufficient. The plane could be trimmed relatively easily in all flight states and power settings. Clean, with power on, the plane took a while to set. When changing the flight state (gear/flaps?) the changes in trim were clear and quite large. Stick force per G was suitable for a fighter, in the order of 3 kiloponds/g. During turns and levelling from dive the G was easily controlled. When the center of gravity moved towards the back (wooden wing Brewster and some other experiments) the plane first became unstable in maneuverability (tended to tighten the pull) at approximately 32 % MAC CoG and unstable in all directions at 33 % MAC.  (MAC = Mean Aerodynamic Chord).

Directional stability was positive. When the plane was disturbed from level flight with the rudder, it returned to direct flight after a couple of sharp yaw and roll motions. The feel of the rudder was a bit poor in slow flight, but got better at speeds over 150 km/h. In a dive, at speeds over 500 km/h, the rudder was very sensitive. V-angle stability was especially good, due to the mid wing and 5.5 degree V-angle. Clean banked turns could be made with just the rudder or just the ailerons. In a straight side slip (clean, engine on idle) at 150 km/h the rudder was fully pressed and counter elevator was given, approximately half of the stick limit. The bank angle was approximately 15 degrees. Correspondingly, during landing the bank angle was approximately 10 degrees.

Aileron forces were quite small, but the ailerons were not over sensitive. At 320 km/h IAS a quarter deflection needed a 5 kilopond force and at 620 km/h 11 kiloponds. At high speeds, the ailerons were even lighter than the ailerons of the Curtiss-Hawk. BW went into a turn clearly faster than a Curtiss or a Spitfire. During turns the control harmony was good. BW warned with a tremble when the stall was near, but didn't tend to snaproll. The BW could be pulled without care and even flown incorrectly. Turning ability was quite good, a 180 degree turn from 350 km/h IAS took 7 seconds at 2 km.


Aerobatics, Stall and Spin

The maximum allowed stress for the Brewster at 2300 kg flying weight was 9 G positive and 4 G negative. Aerobatics was easy and effortless. A loop could be pulled from cruise speed. At 1500 m altitude the radius of the loop was 400 m and the speed at the top 130 km/h, when starting at 360 km/h.  At the same starting speed an immelman resulted in an end speed of 150 km/h and an altitude gain of 700 m. From a slight dive, an extra kilometer of altitude could be easily gained. Two and a half turns in a climbing spiral at 45-60 degrees angle gave 800m altitude gain from a starting speed of 440 km/h. The speed at the end of the maneuver was 150 km/h.

Stall speed clean was approximately 130 km/h and in landing state approximately 110 km/h. With power on the stall speed reduced by approximately 10 km/h. The BW dropped the nose and slightly banked on its wing. It straightened itself out from the stall quickly and didn't go into a spin even if the stick was held back. The spin had to be started by kicking full rudder when the plane stalled. The spin was "normal". When straightening from the spin, full opposite rudder was given and after half a roll of waiting, the stick was pushed straight forward. The stick had to be pushed with exceptionally large force. A ten roll spin to the left took two rolls to straighten, and a spin to the right three rolls, correspondingly. If the controls were not fully deflected, the straightening took longer. When the wing guns were removed, the BW straightened about one roll faster. According to the manual, only spins of two rolls were allowed. Nothing out of the ordinary was noticed in dives. The maximum allowed speed was 620 km/h IAS and 2730 RPM.


Approach and Landing

The flaps could be extended at 260 km/h. Landing gear speed was not specified in the manual. Extending the flaps and landing gear was followed by a strong nose-down moment. The pitch trim wheel had to be turned rigorously, the full range needed nine turns of the wheel. Extending the flaps made the controls lighter and reduced their power. Aprroach speed was approximately 140 km/h, visibility and controllability good in all respects. The BW could be pulled to a three point landing without worries. By pulling with the engine in a partial stall, the BW could landed on a very short strip. The landing run could be easily controlled due to the wide landing gear. The landing run was approximately 230 meters when using the brakes, approximately 380 meters without the brakes.
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2010, 12:44:26 PM »
Wow, thanks Wmaker. That's the most complete information yet. Noticed a couple of things that explain some damage characteristics, fabric covered ailerons and elevators...unless you hit part of the framework, even explosive and tracer rounds would pass right through causing minimal damage. And it used a wheel for pitch trim...must have been fairly small to require 9 full rotations for landing approach. Busy pilot at that point, explains some of the accidents mentioned in other sources.
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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2010, 03:03:42 PM »
Thanks Wmaker :salute

That was very interesting.

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Re: Brewster Buffalo dive speed and handling
« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2010, 09:40:44 PM »
gyrene: sorry it's taking me a lot longer to draft a response for you on clarifying turn performance factors for you.  I'm not happy with any of my approaches to an explanation thus far.  I'm regurgitating stuff in aero textbooks, explaining similarly to how others have in the past, or making it too complicated and not clear enough.  I think I've come up with an approach but it requires more work.  Not sure how long it'll take me but if and when I do I'll post it in a separate thread by itself.

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