I SAY....PERK THE BIG BOMBERS!

[thndregg]

Some folks expect HTC to reconfigure the game because they're not wise enough to think for themselves. "oh the enemy is bombing us. HTC needs to perk the bombers and ord"
There is nothing wrong with the way the game is laid out. But if you want to play the "win the war" thing, then use the tools HTC has given you, instead of asking for the bad guys to be handicapped with perked ords, planes and whatever else you can come up with.

Absolutely agree. Got a problem? Solve it yourself. Don't wait for the "government" (HTC).

[truss51]

Maybe 30 perks for wingman in fighters. Get shot down hit enter keep fighting hehe, wishful thinking.

Actually that's a novel thought. Very interesting.

[Tarstar]

I've been reading this thread and appreciate it's intent.. As a buff enthusiast for about two years now I would say this..  

First, "dive bombing" with level bombers, is in my IMHO a cheesy tactic and it would be nice if that went away.. I won't say I've never done it that was a long time ago.. To me, It's the ultimate in lame..

Second, I think formations should have a perk value attached.. (The main reason for this would really be to suppress the ol' bomb and bail "tactic").. Another Gamey aspect that should go away.. Again, just my opinion..

The new players would, of course, be able to up singles without a perk penalty but would have to "earn their wings" so to speak, to have the privilege of getting a formation..

Also, I would argue that medium bombers like the B26 and KI67 can have far more impact on the game than the painfully slow 4 engine jobs, in the right hands..

Just some thoughts from a buff stick..  

[SEraider]

Perk ord instead.  I've been saying this for some time.  Up to 500lbs are free.  Beyond that:

.125 perks times number of 1,000lbs bombs per sortie.  Don't charge more for drones.
.25 perks times 2,000lbs
.5 perks for 4,000lbs

So in theory, you can perk bomb load-out on attack planes as well.

Otherwise, i don't see to many 234 freaks in here and you can use the perks instead of just sitting there.   

[Lusche]

Perk ord instead.  I've been saying this for some time.  Up to 500lbs are free.  Beyond that:

.125 perks times number of 1,000lbs bombs per sortie.  Don't charge more for drones.
.25 perks times 2,000lbs
.5 perks for 4,000lbs

So in theory, you can perk bomb load-out on attack planes as well.

Otherwise, i don't see to many 234 freaks in here and you can use the perks instead of just sitting there.   

I'd say a true perked ords system has to go beyond that and take plane type into account. Make big bombs more costly for fighters than for genuine bomber/attackers like the TBM, SBD, Ju 87

[Tarstar]

Perk ord instead.  I've been saying this for some time.  Up to 500lbs are free.  Beyond that:

.125 perks times number of 1,000lbs bombs per sortie.  Don't charge more for drones.
.25 perks times 2,000lbs
.5 perks for 4,000lbs

So in theory, you can perk bomb load-out on attack planes as well.

Otherwise, i don't see to many 234 freaks in here and you can use the perks instead of just sitting there.  

Or perk ord as well.... But do you base the loss of those perks to the loss of bombers in the formation? Or for their use, whether or not they hit anything? Just gets complicated there.. Maybe you could elaborate or point me to a post where that is spoken about.. Another thought I had was making manual calibration necessary when formations are used..

And just an FYI to the folks who like to flame my posts with regard to my squad:  I do not post here to represent my Squadron, it's practices, skillz or lack there of..  The LCA to me, is a great bunch or guys with a wide variety of talents and views on the game.. Other than that I post here my personal thoughts alone and do not intend in anyway to speak for my squad..

 

[grumpy37]

How about set a flat perk cost per non heavily  damaged aircraft or GV no mater where you are?  This would make anyone think twice about bomb and bail tactics.

[Tarstar]

How about set a flat perk cost per non heavily  damaged aircraft or GV no mater where you are?  This would make anyone think twice about bomb and bail tactics.

But there again, you sort of cut out the new guy who has no perks to spend.. Unless your going to give him a few hundred to burn when he starts out.. And I'd say screw that.. Make them Earn it.. But if say a single B17 was free but a formation was perked at 15 (5 per plane) Not too many guys will continue that for long (bomb and bail).. Or you could also only allow a perk bonus if one lands.. I.E. No points if you just bail.. Tons of possibility's I guess.. Making the game harder to game is whats at issue I suppose.. But if I were HiTech, I'd want the game to remain highly playable for the new folk as that's what keeps any bussiness alive as us old tards die off..

[Kev367th]

The only change needed is to make bomb release only possible from the bomb aiming position.

The main drawback in perking formations is your penalising the lone buff driver and (more importantly) newbie who just wants to go for a flight and bomb something.
Yes I know he should have a fighter escort yadda yadda yadda. But the fact is most don't, they just want to go blow something up.
All you do is either chase him away, or make him join a hoard

Perking ord, hmm....
I would base it on how common it was.
Buffs would remain free, 1000's for certain fighters would get perked if they were a rare loadout for that type.
This is what I think HT was on about when he mentioned it way way back as it would encourage players to use a wider variety of aircraft.

[edit] Question - What chance do you think a lone buff has against most of the cannon armed fighters (if you perk formations)
EG a Tiffy v Lanc - Come up low on 6 o'clock at most 4 x 20mm v 4x .50cals = DEAD, at least a formation gives them a fighting chance.

[RTHolmes]

Up to 500lbs are free.  Beyond that ... etc

ok for hardpoint mounted bombs where the choice is 500lb or 1000lb, but wont work for bomb bay bombs in buffs.

2x500lb does alot more damage than 1x1000lb. eg. 12x500lb loadout for B-17 does more damage than 6x1,000lb loadout. 28x500lb for lanc (very common RL loadout we dont have) does more than 14x1000lb, 8x250lb internal for Boston/A20 (also common loadout we dont have) does more damage than 4x500lb etc.

surely a 28x500lb lanc with WEP (both historical, neither of which we have) would have to attract a mild perk?

[Kev367th]

surely a 28x500lb lanc with WEP (both historical, neither of which we have) would have to attract a mild perk?

Why?

No hard solid reason to perk any of the heavy prop buffs we have.

[edit] Unless you are trying to restrict / limit their use, which is ALL any of the suggestions would do.

[RTHolmes]

well a single buff pilot with his formation could drop 14 hangars with that loadout, or pork ords and radar at 5 large fields and a small field, or 9 small fields. sounds like a game-changer to me.


btw why doesnt our lanc have WEP?  

[Kev367th]

well a single buff pilot with his formation could drop 14 hangars with that loadout, or pork ords and radar at 5 large fields and a small field, or 9 small fields. sounds like a game-changer to me.


btw why doesnt our lanc have WEP?  

You need salvo 2 to drop FHs, so its only 7.
If a Lanc driver gets to fly to 5 seperate fields untouched the only people to blame are the defenders.

It's the usual I don't want to do it, someone else can, or can't we just get HT to perk buffs out of the game.
Been a problem for years, another is no-one wants to cap CVs so buffs come in un-molested at only 8k and sink it.

When do you put the onus on players to protect their assets?

[RTHolmes]

28/2 = 14

theres a few out there that like to do fleet defence, and I'm one of them. although I'd say its only about 1 in 5 sorties to a cv where I see fighters circling at 14-15k. those sorties dont usually end well ...

[Kev367th]

28/2 = 14

theres a few out there that like to do fleet defence, and I'm one of them. although I'd say its only about 1 in 5 sorties to a cv where I see fighters circling at 14-15k. those sorties dont usually end well ...

2.5k to drop a hanger?
Was talking about the 14x1k loadout, salvo 2 = 7 hangers.

But you and the few that do cap a CV are the exception.
I could probably count on one hand the amount of caps I came across in 5 years of playing, 99.999999999% head right to the field.

The onus has to be shifted back to the players to protect what they have, instead of continually adjusting things to allow for the lack of it.