Turny birdys....

[JunkyII]

Today on 200 there was a heated discussion about why planes like zeaks, hurris, and brewsters(the one in question) are easy mode.

There are 2 dweeby ways people fly these planes.

-Bottom Feeder, looking for people who are engaged by multiple cons or maybe by chance be in a good 1v1 which got to the deck low and slow. They avoid BNZers easily because all they have to do is pull hard on the stick and without even trying they are out of guns of the enemy. When they do spot an enemy low and slow they easily saddle up on said enemy and its almost impossible for him to get away. To go along with the avoid BNZers alot of times they will just turn around really quick and try to go for an HO on the person diving in.

-Alt Monkey turners, They climb one of the above mentioned birds(most likely not a zeak) above the furball and pick planes engaged in combat.....again almost impossible to get away from if the person has any type of skill.


Granted there are people who take these birds into furballs and just go straight into it and fight there way out but most do the above mentioned flying styles. The only challenge they have is getting away from a furball, and 5 words can easily fix that in a furball. "Can you help me here" .

IMO the extremely good turners are worse then the extremely fast planes because once they get coming on your six they are harder to avoid.



Seperate but similar issue.....Brewster needs to be nerfed or have its ENY lowered dramatically....8 would be good. Id love to see thee hurri to brewster ration ever since it came out....

[Bronk]

Ummm dont turn with them possibly?

[Lusche]

Id love to see thee hurri to brewster ration ever since it came out....

"Since it came out" makes no sense, as the Brewster FM has been tweaked recently. If you want to compare them, you have to look at the current tour:

Hurricane Mk IIC   3733 kills   3240 deaths    1.15 K/D
Brewster B-239   4030 kills   3914 deaths   1.03 K/D

Brewster vs Hurri: 87-64, K/D 1.36

[JunkyII]

Ummm dont turn with them possibly?

I knew this would be the first response......Of course if your 1v1 with one of the above birds your not going to turn with him.....but what if your already being engaged by 3-4 and are slow.......gameover and a shamass kill for the person in the turny bird.

[JunkyII]

"Since it came out" makes no sense, as the Brewster FM has been tweaked recently. If you want to compare them, you have to look at the current tour:

Hurricane Mk IIC   3733 kills   3240 deaths    1.15 K/D
Brewster B-239   4030 kills   3914 deaths   1.03 K/D

Brewster vs Hurri: 87-64, K/D 1.36

Wasnt aware it was tweaked, What about # of sorties?

[Lusche]

IMO the extremely good turners are worse then the extremely fast planes because once they get coming on your six they are harder to avoid.

But you can much better prevent them from getting there in the first place, especially if you have a fast plane & fly smart. A turnes usually has less choices. A Brewster flying into a red cloud has to fight to the bitter end... if the P-51 keeps some E, he's usually able to disengage after a few attacks.

You can't just take a single combat situation at one end of the scale and base an overall assement on it.

Overall, speed trumps turn. In a slow turner you basically need "willing" opponents.

[Lusche]

Wasnt aware it was tweaked, What about # of sorties?

If you tell me a way to get that number...

[pervert]

When I played the 10k + zero sticks always made me chuckle 

[uptown]

IMO planes only need to be "nerfed" if the modeling is incorrect. From what I've read on these boards the Brewster is not overmodeled. Yes it's a bad arse little plane, but so what. The yoyo and lag displacement rolls was invented for just such planes. Also they can be easily roped if you set them up right.

[JunkyII]

But you can much better prevent them from getting there in the first place, especially if you have a fast plane & fly smart. A turnes usually has less choices. A Brewster flying into a red cloud has to fight to the bitter end... if the P-51 keeps some E, he's usually able to disengage after a few attacks.

You can't just take a single combat situation at one end of the scale and base an overall assement on it.

Overall, speed trumps turn. In a slow turner you basically need "willing" opponents.

Or preoccupied ones

[JunkyII]

IMO planes only need to be "nerfed" if the modeling is incorrect. From what I've read on these boards the Brewster is not overmodeled. Yes it's a bad arse little plane, but so what. The yoyo and lag displacement rolls was invented for just such planes. Also they can be easily roped if you set them up right.

I feel they hold E way to well.....I dont got stats on it but my question is this If it is so badarse....why did we stop using it in the War?

[uptown]

Or preoccupied ones

But the picking happens with every plane in the set. Not just the turners

[Lusche]

Or preoccupied ones

Which fall the same to a fast picker with big guns. When I have an enemy turning low & slow with a friendly, I can easily pick him in a Typhoon while keeping my speed & E up.

[JunkyII]

But the picking happens with every plane in the set. Not just the turners

No doubt about that, Im just stating that its alot easier because you can easily saddle up on any other plane in the list.

[uptown]

I feel they hold E way to well.....I dont got stats on it but my question is this If it is so badarse....why did we stop using it in the War?

We (USA) needed planes for long range fighter escort and Jabo missions. The Brewster wasn't suited for our needs at the time to do that. The Finns used them quite successfully defending their homeland until they were just completely overwhelmed I believe.