Seriously?

[Spikes]

In the next scenario there is a reason our bombers are capped at 15K.

[potsNpans]

Defense at A15 did engage B-17's at 20k, and had one effective frontal pass on them. After that if you wanted to sacrifice for the Emperor you flew up tail pipe charlie 

[gyrene81]

*yawn* another I can't, so I won't even try.

I've looked through these forums from the day they were started and the number of people blaming their lack of everything but childish mentality on other people or HTC, is astounding. Makes a person wonder if the whiners have kids, what their kids are like. Must be great role models.


How do you get a 287mph max speed B-17 up to 400mph?    I've had the things up to 32k in the MA's and never got that fast. Even with 25% fuel with a full bomb load the climb rate sucks.

[grizz441]

How do you get a 287mph max speed B-17 up to 400mph? 

He was referring to True Speed but still probably a little bit of embellishment in there. 

[killrDan]

He was referring to True Speed but still probably a little bit of embellishment in there. 

LOL Grizz, you'd make a great politician and I mean that in a respectful way! <S>  Like I said, calibrated speed was 264 knots ground speed which in this case was close to actual speed. Frankly, I saw nothing wrong our gamey about our approach.  Besides, everyone knows A6M's don't want to tangle with B17's.  Not in the real war back then and not in AH2, so I'd say it was fairly realistic.

[oakranger]

LOL Grizz, you'd make a great politician and I mean that in a respectful way! <S>  Like I said, calibrated speed was 264 knots ground speed which in this case was close to actual speed. Frankly, I saw nothing wrong our gamey about our approach.  Besides, everyone knows A6M's don't want to tangle with B17's.  Not in the real war back then and not in AH2, so I'd say it was fairly realistic.

A6M are not bomb interceptor in real life.  There where other IJ planse that had the ability to tangle with them but AH lacks in that department. 

[Stoney]

A6M are not bomb interceptor in real life.  There where other IJ planse that had the ability to tangle with them but AH lacks in that department. 

Not in early 1942 they didn't.  And 287 max speed is a True Airspeed number in a clean plane, with no bombs.  The 260-270 TAS range is as fast as you can get loaded B-17s in game.  As far as performance is concerned, having a B-17E or F wouldn't matter.  That being said, B-17s in the PTO typically didn't operate at those altitudes--certainly not at this point in the war.

Intercepting bombers is the activity in this game that requires the most discipline of any other activity.  If you don't do it methodically, and plan your engagements, you will not be successful.

[WWhiskey]

just popped in for a minute, i have the film over 15 with the heavies,,, but not the time to post it right now, i will go threw it in the morning, the 17's were at 20k and a bit ahead of us as escorts in p-40's they were not fast or high, the zekes came in from above us for one pass and some of us followed them down,  if anyone wants to see anything special about the fight post and i will put up screenshots for you!

[daddog]

Don't need any screen shots or film gents.

The initial post is off, (to put it mildly) on more than one account and GD already pointed out many of them.  He feels they are absurd, we have not learned anything, and those in charge have not been around long. What more is there to say? 

[grizz441]

This may be a silly question but is there an all time record kept by anyone that lists the W-L records of Axis and Allies in FSO? 

[Dantoo]

Dunno about FSO but in the real world it was about 2-0 if I recall

[ghostdancer]

Not all in one place but if somebody wanted to do some work it could be pieced together. Basically the FSO forum has the results going back years. So I would go over to the AHevents site, look up the list of past logs and then do a search on the FSO forums by the events names and write down the results.

Definitely possible but also will be time consuming.

[oakranger]

Dunno about FSO but in the real world it was about 2-0 if I recall

Should there be more wins and losses there

[daddog]

I wish Grizz, but like GD said most of it is in here.
I see the posts go back to the fall of 2001. Back then we called FSO, TOD or Tour of Duty. I think we may be missing some posts. Seems to me a few years ago the AH forums had a burp and Skuzzy said they may have lost some. If I recall TOD started back in the summer of 2001. I still prefer the TOD name.

[grizz441]

I wish Grizz, but like GD said most of it is in here.
I see the posts go back to the fall of 2001. Back then we called FSO, TOD or Tour of Duty. I think we may be missing some posts. Seems to me a few years ago the AH forums had a burp and Skuzzy said they may have lost some. If I recall TOD started back in the summer of 2001. I still prefer the TOD name.

It would be nice to see if the Allies usually win just so us Luftwhiners have more stuff to whine about.  

My only paranoid concern is that the FSO team has a better feel for the allied aircraft than the axis and assume the matchups are fair when they actually may not be at times (not this fso).  Of course, any 'unfair' matchup can easily be balanced in the way things are scored.  Career TOD/FSO tallies would show unbalance if Allies have an alarming lead, because believe me, some of the best pilots in the game fly Axis in fso.  end mild whine.