DA and F3 mode

[Ex-jazz]

You've got that already in the A v A arena.  Its a time-period arena for instance now, its a desert early war arena....no enemy icons are visible...only the a/c when it comes into view.  Very very nicely done arena and it makes BnZing a bit more difficult because you can't tell distance as well without icon range.  Lots of fun

Changeup

Thank your for your feedback.

I started the AH at 2000-2001. I cancelled my account already few times.

I'm waiting the next gen h2h only here.

[hlbly]

I only stated that about furballs because many people have used the argument that it makes no difference in past threads on this subject.

Great post, I would love to hear a revised answer from ht on this one.

I seldom disagree with you brother . I thought it important to add the fact that it truly impacts the game in ways that go beyond the DA . I also was hoping for some response from HT on the seeming contradiction in removal of artwork yet allowing F3 .

[Scotch]

I ONLY FLY IN F3 MODE!!!

[nrshida]

Sunbat explained the original reason but the technique is alive and well today because many of those ex H2H players teach their new squad members to fly in F3.

I think flying in opposition to F3-moders makes it clear that it does enhance SA and most especially gunnery.

It's not really a question of having plently of time to learn to fly without it. If you learned in a certain way and practiced for many years AND it brings significant advantages then of course you are not motivated to give it up.

On the one hand I would like to see it go too, but on the other several of these guys have played for many years. Is it not unfair to take their style of play away from them?

It's a strange position for me to represent the rights of certain DA squads and the F3 technique in particular, however many of the DA players do not seem to post on the forum.

I think it's not helpful to address the F3 mode issue in isolation. Perhaps the DA is long overdue for an overhaul but I suggest any changes should also consider the rights and wishes of the DA regulars too.

[dedalos]

Sunbat explained the original reason but the technique is alive and well today because many of those ex H2H players teach their new squad members to fly in F3.

I think flying in opposition to F3-moders makes it clear that it does enhance SA and most especially gunnery.

It's not really a question of having plently of time to learn to fly without it. If you learned in a certain way and practiced for many years AND it brings significant advantages then of course you are not motivated to give it up.

On the one hand I would like to see it go too, but on the other several of these guys have played for many years. Is it not unfair to take their style of play away from them?

It's a strange position for me to represent the rights of certain DA squads and the F3 technique in particular, however many of the DA players do not seem to post on the forum.

I think it's not helpful to address the F3 mode issue in isolation. Perhaps the DA is long overdue for an overhaul but I suggest any changes should also consider the rights and wishes of the DA regulars too.

I agree, but at the same time it was also unfair when they took our style away by turning it on, or when kill shooter was turned on.  So, who is more right?  No one, right?  They have their style we have ours.  However, we could use the arena and its purpose as a criteria.  It is called the dueling arena so maybe it should cater to dueling, if that is what it was meant to be.  If not, why stop at F3?  Turn on the calculating sites and unlimited ammo and fuel. 

[TnDep]

Idea:

New map for the DA for strictly dueling and along with the collaboration of the AvA enabling F3 mode for the DA regulars, we could #1 have 20 to 30 people up to 60 in the AvA at peek times and at the same time remove f3 from the dueling arena, killing two birds with one stone.  What do you guys think cons vs pros? 

[MORAY37]

We still have a dueling arena?   

I stopped going there a long time ago, when I went in there with a squaddie to mess around, and we were chased from field to field to field by grieffers. The DA long ago ceased to be what it used to be, F3 mode or not. 

Let it die, and let the unskilled masses feast on its' carcass, if they must. 

The bottom line is money, and nothing is going to change in any aspect of the game, if there is a segment of people who want it, and will pay for it.  F3 is a prime example.  I'm mildly surprised it's not enabled in the MA's, or at least one of them, actually. (Besides the IL2 and A20)

meh 

[Little Dragon]

I can make those type of shots without F3.

ack-ack

Oh please do teach us Grand Master Ack-Ack!!!     
 

[grizz441]

Hmmm, nop.  And the fact that you can make those shots does not mean F3 should be available in the DA.  I don;t see how the two are related

Batfinkv and I have both made shots like that before.  Completely blind just firing as the plane flies in front.  You can hear the sound of the plane coming through your speakers.  It's rare but it's still possible.  More likely though, pilots are shooting looking out the edge of their plane where the wing and the main body meet.  From your end it will look blind but they can see you just fine.

[nrshida]

Well I'm new to the forums and reasonably new to AH, but I have gathered that the DA was once a very different place and that a many of the long-term players object to the way the DA is now set up. Whatever the DA once was, I think it should be acknowledged that it is now a sub-community of it's own.

I think belabouring the naming of the Duelling Arena isn't going to get us anywhere. Alright so the furbal lake is in the DA (arbitrarily) but the lake is more populated than the sidefields overall at most times of the day. Can't interchange the names to devalue that.

Not really fair or even objective to keep calling those players 'unskilled masses' and so forth. There are many good sticks at the lake who are trying to learn or improve their ACM.

Rather than name calling and criticising settings and perk planes etc, would it not be better to make some more constructive suggestions, as TnDep has done?

For instance, I myself would love to see a permanent rolling 1 on 1 system there, with perhaps a pan-arena register of those who are availble. Something like the SEA announcements but on a separate channel for instance?

Would this approximate the system that used to exist in the DA? Geographically there is plenty of under-used space in that arena. Surely there is a solution we can some up with where all activities could be catered for without anyone really losing out?

[Sonicblu]

I heard talk that there is a way to make nose of plane see through. That's how I alwAys thought they did it.

I can't hit the ground if I point my nose straight at it my gunnery so bad. My acm even worse in f3 mode.

[StokesAk]

If F3 enhances gunnery, then why can't most people hit the broad side of a barn in there?

[Shuffler]

I heard talk that there is a way to make nose of plane see through. That's how I alwAys thought they did it.

I can't hit the ground if I point my nose straight at it my gunnery so bad. My acm even worse in f3 mode.

There is..... when in the DA tap the enter key three times for an unobstructed view.

NOTE..... this has been known to work in all arenas but I have not tested it.

[Changeup]

If F3 enhances gunnery, then why can't most people hit the broad side of a barn in there?

Go try it and use these rules:

1) Set cannons to 650 and machine guns to 500. In turns, short bursts to adjust fire at distances of 600 out are common;
2) When directly behind an adversary, put his plane silouette at the TOP of your rudder at 650 for Brit and German a/c and midway up the rudder for blue planes, lol;
3) While firing in turns, to start, lead a bit more than you would normally and adjust back from there...it will be over in a matter of seconds anyway;
4) When firing from below a plane (wait until you see the site picture of that shot...head to head and he pulls up?  In F3 he's toast but without it, you have to time him because you can't see him) lead less and hold the trigger for a bit longer. (With F3 you will still own him if he turns out because you can adjust with rudder or ailerons while you see him turn....without F3, you will miss everytime if he turns either way after pulling up because you can't see him)
5) Pay special attention to how you begin to fly the a/c...you will be making adjustments that enhance your tracers hitting the target that you would normally NEVER make...and you'd miss if you weren't making them.

Don't try it once or twice....try it for about 2 hours and watch your gunnery hit % go up...4 or 5 sorties will do nothing but 40 or 50 sorties and you will get the picture.


Stokes, dont kid yourself, there are plenty of guys in there that don't miss....you just haven't run into them

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[dedalos]

Batfinkv and I have both made shots like that before.  Completely blind just firing as the plane flies in front.  You can hear the sound of the plane coming through your speakers.  It's rare but it's still possible.  More likely though, pilots are shooting looking out the edge of their plane where the wing and the main body meet.  From your end it will look blind but they can see you just fine.

Again, no one claims you or Ack are using it.  The fact that some can hit like that does not mean F3 mode is ok in the DA.  I can hit those shots too once in a while.  If anything, it proves that F3 is not needed since with a litle practice you can pull those shots off.