Question About The HO

[sky25]

I have been playing for about 1 1/2 years now. Most of it in attack planes and Gv's. This last few months after the new version came out, I have been flying and learning fighters. Many of you have seen me in your gun sights just before I go down in flames.. PS: Thanks for at least giving me a good training film to watch..

Scenario #1

I,m in my 190D, the red guy is in his plane. We end up turning into each other. He is heading straight for me and I am heading straight for him. We collide. Sometimes he dies.sometimes I do.
Who hoed who? I could have turned but wouldn't. The red guy could have turned but wouldn't.

So what constitutes a HO? Doesn't each guy have the choice to disengage? I do not want to turn away for fear of giving the red guy my six. Just curious because I have found myself in this situation many times. He cant blame me for Hoing and I cant blame him for it. We both could have avoided it.. Just curious what the experienced virtual pilots have to say about this scenario..

[LLogann]

You ask tough questions...........

As your skill level begins to increase you will "see" the ways to get out of the ho.........  But as you stated, you can't just turn away and you have to always expect a Head On............... 

It ain't easy.    When Fugitive is flying, he is still just a red icon.  I'm 99% he isn't going to ho, but how do I know it's him. 



These days, it basically breaks down like this.......  If the enemy opens fire from 1000 dtt, he is a newb and I'll beat his ho with my own.  If the enemy hasn't fired at 600 dtt, he is either don5090 or not going to ho.  (don5090 likes to get close)  At 400 dtt, pull a hi G move and the enemy, even the good ho'ers, will have trouble to get back into a firing position.......  Furthermore depending on his skill level will pull hard on his stick, lose a ton of E, and be ready to die. 

But there are so many philosophies people use for the anti-ho.  It's a crap shoot sometimes.

[waystin2]

A HO is a gun to gun firing solution.  If nobody manuevered out of it, it's a mutual HO.  If someone manuevered to evade, it's no longer a HO.  It is now a front quarter shot.

[Spikes]

It takes 2.

[Jayhawk]

My philosophy, avoid the HO because it means his guns are on you.  However, there are just times where you are low on E, and a plane with a major advantage is coming at you, and you have two options 1)be "honorable" and try to evade, which usually means you've just allowed him a clear shot with no resistance or 2) take your chances and put your nose on him.

Don't worry so much about how other people categorize it, or how it's defined.  Flying strait at the enemy every time is going to mean you die a lot, but to say going Head On is never an option, just doesn't make sense to me.

[TonyJoey]

It takes 2.

I hope that was a troll.

[Spikes]

I hope that was a troll.

Actually no, how could it be? It does indeed take 2 to HO. If you get caught in a cheap shot and don't shoot yourself, it's nobody's fault but yours, granted it's not a HO, it's a front quarter like waystin said. If you get that close to the guy and then turn off, it's nobody's fault but yours. Whining that 'he hoed me!' after is funny because either you shouldn't put yourself in the position to begin with, or you should realize it's the MA and chances are you're going to get HO'ed on a merge. It's a rarity to find pilots who won't take it...so nobody should assume the other won't take it.

I personally commit to it but rarely take it, it give the guy a front quarter...if timed correctly it's tough to hit the target and sometimes it even puts the shooter in a terrible position and a possible easy kill for the other guy.

[LLogann]

100% right!!!  The dead talk way too much on 200....   

Whining that 'he hoed me!' after is funny because either you shouldn't put yourself in the position to begin with, or you should realize it's the MA and chances are you're going to get HO'ed on a merge. It's a rarity to find pilots who won't take it...so nobody should assume the other won't take it.

[Shuffler]

I simply go into SAPP Mode.

[AAJagerX]

If you can bait the other guy into committing to the HO, you can take advantage of that.  He's worrying about a firing solution while you're working for a good merge. 

[Dream Child]

A HO is a gun to gun firing solution.  If nobody manuevered out of it, it's a mutual HO.  If someone manuevered to evade, it's no longer a HO.  It is now a front quarter shot.

If you pull the trigger on someone that is trying to avoid the HO, it's still a HO

[StokesAk]

Merge offset to their heading, that was if they deviate you know they are going to try and kill you.

As for him getting on your 6, if you have enough E pull up wards and try to rope him, he will turn back into you as you go vert killing most of his E and then inturn making him stall out like a pancake.

[waystin2]

If you pull the trigger on someone that is trying to avoid the HO, it's still a HO

Nope.  Now you are off a gun to gun solution and you are subject to frontal quarter attack.  Truly different shot angles and no longer a HO.  Your definition of a HO's envelope is too large.

[The Fugitive]

I have been playing for about 1 1/2 years now. Most of it in attack planes and Gv's. This last few months after the new version came out, I have been flying and learning fighters. Many of you have seen me in your gun sights just before I go down in flames.. PS: Thanks for at least giving me a good training film to watch..

Scenario #1

I,m in my 190D, the red guy is in his plane. We end up turning into each other. He is heading straight for me and I am heading straight for him. We collide. Sometimes he dies.sometimes I do.
Who hoed who? I could have turned but wouldn't. The red guy could have turned but wouldn't.

So what constitutes a HO? Doesn't each guy have the choice to disengage? I do not want to turn away for fear of giving the red guy my six. Just curious because I have found myself in this situation many times. He cant blame me for Hoing and I cant blame him for it. We both could have avoided it.. Just curious what the experienced virtual pilots have to say about this scenario..

I don't like the HO because it's a crap shoot, sometime you win sometimes you loose, sometime you collide. In all three of those senarios show me whats fun about them. I fly for the fight and will almost never fire on a nose to nose pass. With that being said, I almost never make a nose on nose pass, there for it's much harder for them to HO.

As a picture, remember in the movie Top Gun, during the big dog fight at the end at one point one of them yells out "I'm going to take them down the left side!" and they show the two planes passing in opposite directions a couple hundred feet apart. Well that IS NOT a HO because neither had a guns solution on the other. This is how you avoid the HO. The most important thing in a fight is to NOT put yourself in front of his guns. Should you see that you are going to be there you MUST give him the smallest profile to hit, point a wing at him, or even give him your 6.

With a D9 the only time you should be in front of his guns is as you blow past him in your zoom. The good thing about aiming your nose at the bad guys nose is you have your guns pointed at him, but so does he. Fights are easier to win if you never in front of the other guys guns.

[doomed]

Its simple if you win its a HO if you lose its legit.