Should Have Been A Milk Run Final Score

[daddog]

Special thanks goes out to Baumer who on more than one occasion kept this FSO on track and took the time to score it according to my rules and write up. Also 68Falcon who was willing to do what was needed because I just did not have the time this past month.

My apologies for the lopsided results gents. It was a scramble to get this out as fellow who was to run this past FSO had to depart unexpectedly. I was unwilling to toss the responsibility in the lap of another Admin CM so I ran with it myself. After one design had to be scratched because of terrain problems (no fault of the terrain team) I was >< this close to skipping the Sept. FSO. FUBAR comes to mind. 

I also want to apologize to the Unforgiven who had Setup, (the guy who sets up the arena) Bouncer, (assists the Setup CM and checks uniforms) and CiC duty all in one frame. In my scramble to throw this together I totally missed that.

Frame 1 Score
Allies
Single engine fighter kills- 84 (84*5)= 420 Points
Hangers- 3 (3*25)= 75 Points
Strat Buildgings- 44 (44*2)= 88 Points
Allied Total = 583 Points

Axis
Single engine fighter kills- 84 (84*5)= 420 Points
Double engine fighter kills- 8 (8*8)= 64 Points
Mosquito's/A-20- 19 (19*10)= 190 Points
B-17's/B-24's- 30 (30*20)= 600 Points

Axis total 1274 Points
Axis penalty -100 Points for aircraft not climbing over targets.
Axis Total = 1174

Frame 2 Score
Allied
Single Engine Fighter- 95 x 5 =475
Multi Engine Fighter- 4 x 8 = 32
Hangers- 5 x 25 = 125
Strat Objects- 90 x 2 = 180
Allied Sub Total = 812
Allied penalty penalty points -100 for players re-upping
Allied Total = 712

Axis
Single Engine Fighter- 83 x 5 =415
P-38- 18 x 8 = 144
Mossie- 13 x 10 = 130
B-17/B-24- 23 x 20 = 460
Axis sub Total = 1149
Axis penalty points -100 for entering the no fly zone.
Axis Total = 1049

Frame 3 Score
Allied
Single Engine Fighter- 77 x 5 = 385
Strat Object- 187 x 2 = 374

Allied Total = 759

Axis
Single Engine Fighter- 80 x 5 = 400
Double Engine Fighter- 11 x 8 = 88
A-20- 13 x 10 = 130
B-17/24- 46 x 20 = 920
Axis Total = 1538

Final Score
Allies = 2054
Axis = 3761

[DH367th]

Was fun anyway thanks for the effort DD 
On a side note DD maybe someone at HTC could look at the last frame.
The disco's rear'd it's ugly head again.
Dh

[oakranger]

Fun event.  First time doing something with one side dose all air-spawn (that i can remeber), hopefully, we can improve this event so that it runs better. 

[Bino]

In frame two, the Allies flew seven B-17s and six B-24s.  The minimums called for by the objectives were eight of each. 

Is there no penalty for failing to meet the minimums?

[modeus]

In frame two, the Allies flew seven B-17s and six B-24s.  The minimums called for by the objectives were eight of each. 

Is there no penalty for failing to meet the minimums?

I see your point in principal... but it won't change the outcome. Seems a waste to be concerned about it.

[daddog]

Is there no penalty for failing to meet the minimums?

Yes, I forgot about that. I recall a couple PM's about it.
Simply put I would have taken another 100 points for each minimum not being met, but it seems rather moot at this point.

[snakeplissken]

The Unforgiven was happy to assist in this FSO.  You gave us a job and we did it for you.  We are honored that you respect us that much.  The truth is we get to delegate CIC duties to other members of the squad.  It is an eye opening experience.  Kinda like your first High-G turn.  You learn there is an entire new world out there.  But beware-- The World of the Admins.  Those are some strange people.

[thorsim]

"Axis penalty -100 Points for aircraft not climbing over targets."

objectives do not say axis must climb over targets ...


"- Axis must use that time to get over the target they are
defending. Axis pilots must NOT fly toward Allied spawn
points till the Allied side spawns in the air, (10 minutes

after the Axis rolls)."

axis were ordered not to move to spawns till t + 10

axis were instructed to move to their patrol areas and as far as i know they all did so ...

i am not looking for 100 points here, just pointing out the reasons for the penalty are not clearly stated in the objectives,
and should be more clear in the future.

i chose to defend airspace not targets but the axis climbed to those patrol areas, not the allied spawns.  

i think if you are going to dictate how we deploy then that should be very very clear in future objectives.  

the axis followed the rules and climbed to the area they were to defend in frame 1,
i just had different specifics of tasking than you invisioned. 

that is not prohibited in the objectives and no rules were violated in frame 1.  

respectfully,

t





 

[jededii]

In frame two, the Allies flew seven B-17s and six B-24s.  The minimums called for by the objectives were eight of each. 

Is there no penalty for failing to meet the minimums?

That was my mistake. I had asked for volunteers to make up the  #s of heavies in frame 2 the same as was done in Frame 1. I put it out on command channel 150 and assumed that it was done. After reading the logs I realized that we would be penalized for the 3 buffs we were short. My apologies to the Allies for not confirming the #s   

                       Jed

[oakranger]

"Axis penalty -100 Points for aircraft not climbing over targets."

objectives do not say axis must climb over targets ...


"- Axis must use that time to get over the target they are
defending. Axis pilots must NOT fly toward Allied spawn
points till the Allied side spawns in the air, (10 minutes

after the Axis rolls)."

axis were ordered not to move to spawns till t + 10

axis were instructed to move to their patrol areas and as far as i know they all did so ...

i am not looking for 100 points here, just pointing out the reasons for the penalty are not clearly stated in the objectives,
and should be more clear in the future.

i chose to defend airspace not targets but the axis climbed to those patrol areas, not the allied spawns.  

i think if you are going to dictate how we deploy then that should be very very clear in future objectives.  

the axis followed the rules and climbed to the area they were to defend in frame 1,
i just had different specifics of tasking than you invisioned. 

that is not prohibited in the objectives and no rules were violated in frame 1.  

respectfully,

t





 

Saw that too.  I was not aware you guys (axis) had to do that. 

[Jonah]

i like how it turned out for the allies despite the changes in frame 2 and 3. doesnt make sense though 

[daddog]

Axis must use that time to get over the target they are defending. Axis pilots must NOT fly toward Allied spawnpoints till the Allied side spawns in the air. (10 minutes after the Axis rolls)

To be specific if I must it was not for the lack of climbing, but the failure of the Axis to head to their targets and defend them. This rule was clearly violated and confirmed by several on the Allied side who complained to me about it.

[Bino]

Yes, I forgot about that. I recall a couple PM's about it.
Simply put I would have taken another 100 points for each minimum not being met, but it seems rather moot at this point.

No problem, Daddog.  RL happens.  

But if I might make a suggestion: if the frame set-up objectives are truly important to the designer, penalties should be large enough to be meaningful.  Else why bother?  A mere 100 points in the middle of a 4000-point series of frames is not going to be any kind of real deterrant.

[daddog]

I hear you Bino. I honestly expected the score to be a bit closer, so I figured a 100 points would matter. Sure was wrong about that. 
Next time I will shoot for 250.

[StokesAk]

I'm surprised that the axis won that one, looked like the allies had it in the bag. 

Was a good FSO, thank you for taking the time to set it up.