Since we're all being silly...

[morfiend]

Yes Sir.... The Tigercat.  4200 HP's coming from the P&W R-2800-34W's, climbing at 4,500 fpm, with 4 .50's and 4 20's (both M2 variety)  Too late for WWII, 10 year career, but saw little action in Korea.  

  Actually it was in theater and flew night missions in the last week of the war,however it didnt see any combat.

  The F8F was on the way as well and somewhere in the pacific when the war ended.

  I could be argued that the F7F could/should be included,it wasnt the planes fault that they didnt see combat.

  However there are plenty of other planes needed before the F7F.

   

[Westy]

"Looking at some of the stuff here, we are pretty lucky that Hitler was a wacko"

Most of the "pictures" of these German uber weapons never made it off of the
weinerschnitzel napkin they were drawn on down in some bomb shelter east
of the Rhine.  This lufwaffle porn is the product of die selbstbefriedigung
by some Third Reich groupies while thinking "what if..."

[JHerne]

Yes and no...

The Go-229 (the Horton Bros. flying wing), was an actual aircraft, the fuselage of the original still resides at NASM.

The Bv.155 was in the prototype stages, etc.

But yes, many of the Luftwaffe '46 projects never made if off the napkins!

J

[LLogann]

No, it is all No.  Forget the fantasies for a sec Westy.  In 1942 when the US were introducing the P51, the German's already changed out the piston engine for a jet powered ME262. 

Yes and no...

The Go-229 (the Horton Bros. flying wing), was an actual aircraft, the fuselage of the original still resides at NASM.

The Bv.155 was in the prototype stages, etc.

But yes, many of the Luftwaffe '46 projects never made if off the napkins!

Most of the "pictures" of these German uber weapons never made it off of the
weinerschnitzel napkin they were drawn on down in some bomb shelter east
of the Rhine.  This lufwaffle porn is the product of die selbstbefriedigung
by some Third Reich groupies while thinking "what if..."

J

I am not trying to be anti anybody, not trying to be annoying, simply stating the facts.  If anybody ever speaks to a military historian, ask that person for yourself.......... If you can stand to swallow the answer that is given. 

[JHerne]

I dunno fellas, I guess we have to take into consideration what we consider to be an uber-weapon. This is open to discussion in itself.

Obviously, the ultimate uber-weapon of 1945 is the A-bomb...working downwards from there...

The overwhelming majority of the drawings that appear in the Luftwaffe '46 books are science fiction, but, were still within the reach of the designers had they additional time and resources to create them. Some of those became actual aircraft, whether or not they flew or reached operational status (a heated debate in another thread!), we can't deny that engines were being bolted to radical airframes.

Much of the technology taken from the Germans in 1945 was implemented into both US and Russian aircraft production, if more for testing than anything else. When one compares the Triebflügeljäger to the XFY Pogo, the Ta-183 Huckbien to the Bell X-5, or the XF-92A to some of the proposed Lippisch designs, its obvious that much of this wasn't fantasy.

I do have several books on Luftwaffe Secret Projects, though, and some of this stuff is out in left field, such as kerosene-propelled pulse jet intercontinental bombers, etc. For the most part, though, I don't think these guys were dreaming up stuff that required a flux capacitor.

[RufusLeaking]

Don't kid yourself...... The level of technological improvements between the Allied nations, vs. the Nazi Party..... Is like night and day.  And if it weren't the persecution of the Jews, men like Einstein, Peierls, Frisch & Szilárd would never have left their countries. 

The heavy bombing, starting in '43, simply kept the Germans from resupplying their forces and forcing the shutdown of many projects.  German production process was the true culprit....  The King Tiger was so dam hard to make from a resource/money perspective.  Countless others.  The German's beat themselves.

Appropriate for a "Since we're all being silly ..." thread.

You forget radar, sonar (ASDIC), computers, laminar flow wings, the Merlin engine ... the Allies were not dolts. 

[RufusLeaking]

No, it is all No.  Forget the fantasies for a sec Westy.  In 1942 when the US were introducing the P51, the German's already changed out the piston engine for a jet powered ME262. 

J


I am not trying to be anti anybody, not trying to be annoying, simply stating the facts.  If anybody ever speaks to a military historian, ask that person for yourself.......... If you can stand to swallow the answer that is given. 

The only way the Axis might have won is if the UK, USSR and the USA had rolled over and bought into their propaganda.  And that didn’t happen, did it?

Read James F.  Dunnigan or John Keegan.  The US, at the start of WW2, coming out of the Depression, had something like 30% of the world’s industrial capacity.  From 1941 through 1945, the US produced approx. 55% of the aircraft in the world.   (I’m going from memory from Dunnigan’s Dirty Little Secrets of World War 2.)

The Axis had just about zero chance of winning, starting on September 1, 1939.

I do have several books on Luftwaffe Secret Projects, though, and some of this stuff is out in left field, such as kerosene-propelled pulse jet intercontinental bombers, etc. For the most part, though, I don't think these guys were dreaming up stuff that required a flux capacitor.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.  Despite the coolness factor, none of these were war winners.


Back to the OP and the rest of the thread, some good images.

[Westy]

BS yourself LLogan. I'm not talking about the me262 or me163 or the Meteor
or the P-80a aircraft.  (Nazis did not change out their piston engines for
the me262 btw. why dont you go read up on it's development and about
who had a jet fighter first and when the 262 actuall was ready and deployed)
 I'm referring to the wishy washy Deutchland Uber Alles, leather under wearer
who get the "if only Hitler had just..." boner from the artwork found at Luft46
being shown in this topic.Like the 6 jet engined Arado ny bomber. 

Referring to the BV.155 would have been a high alt pig as it was meant to
combat the B-29. Only got 10 hours flight time the USAAF had had escort
aircraft in theater that would eat it up. Same with e DO-335. At hi speeds
it porpoised.

[Dichotomy]

 foo fighter?

 
 

[LLogann]

You're um.........................  Wrong on so many levels friend.  You are right about one thing..... Erny Heinkel had the first successful jet powered flight, not Willy M.  But, he was German too.     And if you're going to make a Whittle reference, remember, theory/concept is still theory/concept.   
 

BS yourself LLogan. I'm not talking about the me262 or me163 or the Meteor
or the P-80a aircraft.  (Nazis did not change out their piston engines for
the me262 btw. why dont you go read up on it's development and about
who had a jet fighter first and when the 262 actuall was ready and deployed)
 I'm referring to the wishy washy Deutchland Uber Alles, leather under wearer
who get the "if only Hitler had just..." boner from the artwork found at Luft46
being shown in this topic.Like the 6 jet engined Arado ny bomber. 

Referring to the BV.155 would have been a high alt pig as it was meant to
combat the B-29. Only got 10 hours flight time the USAAF had had escort
aircraft in theater that would eat it up. Same with e DO-335. At hi speeds
it porpoised.

[Ardy123]

well, because I'm bunnies and bunnies have large and I mean LARGE families, I need a ride to transport them all in (hey what can I say, we like to reproduce). How about we get some air liners!

[JHerne]

I dunno Ardy, the wings liked to come off that baby. Pretty though!

Gents, its easy to speculate that this airplane would have been a pig, or that plane porpoised at high speeds, etc. Truth of the matter is, 95% of these aircraft were rushed into development and prototype without sufficient testing. Ok, the Do-335 had lateral control issues at high speeds. Just like the Martin B-26, changes to the wing or stabilizers probably would have fixed the problem had they the time to determine its cause. A change in the angle of incidence of the wing on the B-26 and it went from the Widowmaker to the most-survivable bomber of WW2. The P-51, underpowered with the Allison, adapt a Merlin to it and it becomes one of the defining aircraft of the 20th century.

We have no clue how the Bv.155 would have performed at 40,000ft., it never got the chance. We have no clue how the Do-335 would have stood up against B-17s and their escorts. They never met. Conjuncture at best.

This thread was started (by me) just to see what you fellas thought would be cool in our cartoon world, knowing full well that we'll never see any of these planes in AH.

J

[mbailey]

I dunno Ardy, the wings liked to come off that baby. Pretty though!

 

Aint that the truth!! I think it was metal fatigue in the areas around the windows that caused most of the breakups.

Would love to fly one of these in a flight sim though

[Meatwad]

I want the Flying Dutchman so I can send everyone to Davy Jones locker


YARRRRRRR

[321BAR]

Was that really necessary, to post a 4508x3504 pixel picture? Geeez...

i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see