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Offline Vinkman

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Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« on: November 01, 2010, 08:55:24 AM »
It seems to me that the flight model in AH prevents any control of a plane with a vertical stabilizer. This seems artificial to me, but I don't fly a real plane, and am not an aeronautics engineer. there are many pilots on here, and it would seem a few aero engineers and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with flight after the loss of a rudder and verical stablizer? It seems to me that rolling the plane and using elevator control could be used to control the plane, albiet in a very crude way, to at least maintain a heading, and possibly land.

Has anyone accomplished a landing after the loss of a vertical Stabilizer in AH?

Anyone else think it should be possible?


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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 09:00:49 AM »
It is possible more than 50% of the time.

Edit: I ought to elaborate though, your use of the word 'land' might be misleading. You certainly can't head back to the airfield of your choice. I mean it is possible to control your attitude and get down safely with a nice gentle ditch. Depends on your definition of landing, but if you could walk away safely...
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 09:09:01 AM »
  I would think that without a vert stab you would be like a leaf in the wind.

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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 09:13:57 AM »
It is possible more than 50% of the time.

Edit: I ought to elaborate though, your use of the word 'land' might be misleading. You certainly can't head back to the airfield of your choice. I mean it is possible to control your attitude and get down safely with a nice gentle ditch. Depends on your definition of landing, but if you could walk away safely...

I'd take a nice gentile ditch. Haven't been able to make the plane do anything, lose pitch and roll control which seems wrong to me. So you make it down half the time?
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 09:15:47 AM »
Flew a Mossie about 45 miles and landed gear down on the runway after losing my vertical stabilizer in a collision with a Spitfire Mk VIII.  Just can't let yourself bank very much.  It also got squirrly as my speed dropped for landing.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 09:19:42 AM »
The vertical stab is there for a reason, namely that flying becomes next to impossible without one. Having said that, the 109E does fly pretty good without one.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 09:22:29 AM »
The vertical stab is there for a reason, namely that flying becomes next to impossible without one. Having said that, the 109E does fly pretty good without one.

Hmm. OK maybe it's just me then. I'll keep practicing.  :D
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 09:24:02 AM »
I'd say a lot more than half the time. Since I usually lose my stab to an act of supreme lameness, such as a HO or a lateral shot when fighting someone else, I mostly try to deny the the kill in those cases. It's become a sort of hobby of mine. Will look later and see if I have any on film.

Like Karnak eludes to you have no control over your yaw, the trick is to keep your nose pointed slightly below the horizon (mostly) and stay fast enough for a flair at the end. Don't be alarmed by your airspeed indicator, you are often going sideways or even slightly backwards here and there.

Strange topic. Filth described the analogy very well.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 09:33:01 AM »
Will look later and see if I have any on film.




Here is a film. You talking about like this one? :)

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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 09:35:18 AM »
I wouldn't want to be the guy trying to land a taildragger in a cross-wind without a vert stab.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 09:43:20 AM »
I wouldn't want to be the guy trying to land a taildragger in a cross-wind without a vert stab.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 09:49:03 AM »
Not really a landing but I certainly felt in control as I ditched, v-stabless from 4k, avoiding a few potshots on the way.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 09:49:29 AM »
Yup, there you go. 5.2 for artistic merit Batty.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 09:51:58 AM »
A mossie once was able to shoot me and tear me up with no vertical stab, I shot it off and he continued to fly unharmed for 1-2 minutes.
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Re: Plane can't fly without Vertical Stab
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 09:53:45 AM »
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