Nothing to see here, move along

[Sundowner]

Duh-uhh...

Freedom implies risk.....LESS freedom implies MORE risk.

Regards,
Sun

[Sundowner]

heres a interesting read, over 35,000 pics were saved from the Florida courthouse, TSA has said over and over again that body imagers used for security purposes are unable to store, export or print images of passenger but yet 10's of thousands have been saved and leaked, so much for those rules, why would you want to keep them? and for what purpose but we feel safer dont we

http://news.discovery.com/tech/one-hundred-body-scan-images-published.html

Article two
http://news.discovery.com/tech/feds-accidentally-save-body-scan-images-ooops.html

Saw that Zoom, ...guess we can't continue to use "temporary or momentary embarrassment" in describing the "un-save-able" naked body scanner images.

Imagine the outrage when a collection of passenger's kids are discovered.

Shame on you TSA...shame.

Sun

[Sundowner]

I present that as one of the concerns that seems to have merit.  Do you want some more? 

That the images cannot and would not be saved.
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html
http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf Pages 7 and 16

Possibility of using the machines that produce higher definition images and a program to invert said image as pornography, including children.
Cannot include links as they violate forum rules.

Violations of peoples religious beliefs.

There are more concerns besides the possible and unknown long term health risks.

Saw your post late, allaire.

Kudos to you and Zoom for these links.

Regards,
Sun

[warhed]

LOL @ the video on the gizmodo page, the one from Florida.  Did you guys even watch it?  You can't see a single detail!  Looks like a photoshop filter that turns you into cotton.

[FLOTSOM]

hows about this.................


shame on those people who carru bombs and weapons onboard airliners making this kind of security a necessary evil of modern society?

why dont we blame those who brought it on and not those who try to make life a little safer for the masses.

oh and by your own logic should we remove from the store shelves and from the homes of people every type of photographic equipment that has ever been created???? cause im sure at some point some scumbag has misused at least one of every kind of camera that has ever existed.

and as a final and really sickening thought ask yourself a question...would you rather an unidentifiable out of focus and fuzzy picture be found in some sleaze bags possession someday or a grave to visit....... which would you prefer to take the risk on?

[MORAY37]

I present that as one of the concerns that seems to have merit.  Do you want some more?  

That the images cannot and would not be saved.
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html
http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf Pages 7 and 16

Possibility of using the machines that produce higher definition images and a program to invert said image as pornography, including children.
Cannot include links as they violate forum rules.

Violations of peoples religious beliefs.

There are more concerns besides the possible and unknown long term health risks.

The long term health risks are bothersome.  The millimeter band frequency they operate at is known to "unzip" DNA strands.  If this happens, then that cell will not replicate correctly.  As a biologist, I will refuse to walk through one.  Feel my sack, if you must.  I will give you a lollipop after, TSA dude.

The sample images from the body scans the TSA released are severely doctored as to hide the true effectiveness of the machine to the conservative (not the political meaning of the word) american populace.  The true images from backscatter XRays are crystal clear, no matter what the TSA says.  One handbook actually declares "if the genitals are not in clear focus, the scan is not being completed at an effective ratio."  

While I don't really care who sees me naked, in fact, I would gladly walk through the airport au natural, I'm still young, dumb and in shape...... my girlfriend, on the other hand, will not be examined by Mister "fresh out of community college" TSA agent, an agency whose hiring procedures have already led to the hiring of convicted sex offenders and at least 3 pedophiles.

It is my opinion this is the latest reinforcing agent that the war on terrorism is over, and we have objectively lost.

This is not acceptable.

[Tec]

OK Tec is Obama n flotsom is vice pres  they right we not.

I don't even have a retort for an argument as well thought out as this.  Your skills of debate are on a level I can never hope to achieve so I am forced to yield to you good sir.

[Masherbrum]

Bold fail

Nope.   Blackberry fail.   

[Tec]

but let them have their blanket.

No thanks.  I may be willing to make some concessions in life in the name of safety, I will not make them in the name of "feeling safe".  As you yourself pointed out earlier in the thread anyone(well most) who don't feel like the blanket here is adequately warm and snuggly are free to go.

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[Volron]

What we need is Lemurs watching you

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Great...now I won't be able to sleep tonight.

So...um...Skuzzy is going to break out the ban hammer?  Eitherway, IN.

[allaire]

Nope.   Blackberry fail.   

Had to mess with you there Karaya.

[CAP1]

hows about this.................


shame on those people who carru bombs and weapons onboard airliners making this kind of security a necessary evil of modern society?

why dont we blame those who brought it on and not those who try to make life a little safer for the masses.

oh and by your own logic should we remove from the store shelves and from the homes of people every type of photographic equipment that has ever been created???? cause im sure at some point some scumbag has misused at least one of every kind of camera that has ever existed.

and as a final and really sickening thought ask yourself a question...would you rather an unidentifiable out of focus and fuzzy picture be found in some sleaze bags possession someday or a grave to visit....... which would you prefer to take the risk on?

i dunno your opinion on gun ownership, and fear i may be getting close to the edge here...but assuming you own some sort of firearm legally....but in the name of safety(because someone might break into your shop and steal it) would you give up your firearm just as easily?

please don't intrepret anything i'm saying as me being an ass.....

[68ZooM]

LOL @ the video on the gizmodo page, the one from Florida.  Did you guys even watch it?  You can't see a single detail!  Looks like a photoshop filter that turns you into cotton.

Warhed if you keep reading it says the video is from a older machine that is much fuzzier than the other more sophisticated ones there using in Airports, that vid was from the courthouse i do beleive, read the whole article not just watch the vid

[CAP1]

The long term health risks are bothersome.  The millimeter band frequency they operate at is known to "unzip" DNA strands.  If this happens, then that cell will not replicate correctly.  As a biologist, I will refuse to walk through one.  Feel my sack, if you must.  I will give you a lollipop after, TSA dude.

The sample images from the body scans the TSA released are severely doctored as to hide the true effectiveness of the machine to the conservative (not the political meaning of the word) american populace.  The true images from backscatter XRays are crystal clear, no matter what the TSA says.  One handbook actually declares "if the genitals are not in clear focus, the scan is not being completed at an effective ratio."  

While I don't really care who sees me naked, in fact, I would gladly walk through the airport au natural, I'm still young, dumb and in shape...... my girlfriend, on the other hand, will not be examined by Mister "fresh out of community college" TSA agent, an agency whose hiring procedures have already led to the hiring of convicted sex offenders and at least 3 pedophiles.

It is my opinion this is the latest reinforcing agent that the war on terrorism is over, and we have objectively lost.

This is not acceptable.
(Image removed from quote.)

bolded.......i had thought this quite a bit............

[warhed]

Warhed if you keep reading it says the video is from a older machine that is much fuzzier than the other more sophisticated ones there using in Airports, that vid was from the courthouse i do beleive, read the whole article not just watch the vid

I understaand that, but it was posted to say "see how bad this is?"
A scare tactic was used, and it failed.