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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2010, 01:47:20 AM »
Quote from: skribetm on December 27, 2010, 05:09:59 PM
td was just showing the pci-e card as a viable solution for system builds as compared to a sata ssd.
my post thereafter should have clarified it already; that ssd's can be raid'd too, but wouldnt be as cheap.
so i think everyone reading this thread, despite the title, would already know the difference.

Heh reminds me of a scene in Life of Brian:

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Crowd goes crazy: "HE'S THE MESSIAH!!"  :D
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2011, 11:34:28 AM »
just installed my OCZ Vertex 2 120 gig SSD. Using it as a boot n main prog drive.  Boot times went from 55 secs on my raptor
to under 25 secs with SSD.
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2011, 12:19:20 PM »
Quote from: whels on January 06, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
just installed my OCZ Vertex 2 120 gig SSD. Using it as a boot n main prog drive.  Boot times went from 55 secs on my raptor
to under 25 secs with SSD.

Again, this is apples to oranges and nobody really like fruit salad anyhow.  But, you could probably get some other very important tasks done in the 30 seconds a day you just gained.


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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2011, 03:26:08 PM »
Ripley...I just want to point out from a NON-TECHNICAL standpoint that I thought TD's comparison of two completely different technologies was concise and understood easily. UNLIKE the various technobabble that some on this BBS like to spout out just to show that they spent way too much time learning this crap for whatever reason.
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2011, 04:10:52 PM »
the original thread was like, lets compare a ponyd against a p47n (just random planes here).  and some people went, well its misleading, you gotta compare it against a 190 or a spitfire.  then it gets pointed out that it was only a comparison of the ponyd against the p47n, and some people start screaming because the 190 or the 109 is not included.  they failed to realize that it was just a comparison between 2 planes, nothing more, nothing less.  I find that funny.

I bet that if TD has made a comparison of every single drive currently on the us market, it would still be people who would fault him for not including the new  metamucil coded liquid state drives used in japan, but not available in the us.

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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2011, 12:32:16 AM »
Quote from: Reschke on January 06, 2011, 03:26:08 PM
Ripley...I just want to point out from a NON-TECHNICAL standpoint that I thought TD's comparison of two completely different technologies was concise and understood easily. UNLIKE the various technobabble that some on this BBS like to spout out just to show that they spent way too much time learning this crap for whatever reason.

That's exactly my point. NON-TECHNICAL people take the comparison without understanding that the differences shown are not exactly due either to PCI-E nor SSD superiority but a combination of both compared to a *hdd* which could run on SATA2 and still get exactly same results speedwise.

So the thread had absolutely nothing to do with sata3 since the 'test' was done with a device that couldn't utilize but a fraction of the available bandwith in sata3.

I hope that clears it up a bit.
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2011, 12:55:16 AM »
Quote from: guncrasher on January 06, 2011, 04:10:52 PM
the original thread was like, lets compare a ponyd against a p47n (just random planes here).  and some people went, well its misleading, you gotta compare it against a 190 or a spitfire.  then it gets pointed out that it was only a comparison of the ponyd against the p47n, and some people start screaming because the 190 or the 109 is not included.  they failed to realize that it was just a comparison between 2 planes, nothing more, nothing less.  I find that funny.

I bet that if TD has made a comparison of every single drive currently on the us market, it would still be people who would fault him for not including the new  metamucil coded liquid state drives used in japan, but not available in the us.

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In your comparison TD said 'A P47 with a radial vs an inline engine' and then proceed to compare the P47 to a WW1 plane.
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2011, 09:34:49 AM »
Quote from: MrRiplEy[H] on January 07, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
That's exactly my point. NON-TECHNICAL people take the comparison........


This is why the post originated in the Hardware & Software forum and not somewhere else.  NON-TECHNICAL people tend to stay away from here, but us TECHNICAL people who DO understand, find statistics like TD posted to be very informative.  I agree it's not practical for most at this time, but 1 year from now.....
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2011, 10:50:48 AM »
Quote from: MrRiplEy[H] on January 07, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
That's exactly my point. NON-TECHNICAL people take the comparison without understanding that the differences shown are not exactly due either to PCI-E nor SSD superiority but a combination of both compared to a *hdd* which could run on SATA2 and still get exactly same results speedwise.

So the thread had absolutely nothing to do with sata3 since the 'test' was done with a device that couldn't utilize but a fraction of the available bandwith in sata3.

I hope that clears it up a bit.

Being a non-technical person myself who reads and does understand the differences in how things are written; I did not take it like you are implying at all. I read it for what it was a comparison of two completely DIFFERENT OPTIONS for someone who was building a system and wanted faster boot times with newer SSD or SATA type technology for HDD options.

Let me spell it out for you.

A  C O M P A R I S O N  O F  T W O  C O M P L E T E L Y  D I F F E R E N T  O P T I O N S
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2011, 11:16:11 AM »
Quote from: Reschke on January 07, 2011, 10:50:48 AM
Being a non-technical person myself who reads and does understand the differences in how things are written; I did not take it like you are implying at all. I read it for what it was a comparison of two completely DIFFERENT OPTIONS for someone who was building a system and wanted faster boot times with newer SSD or SATA type technology for HDD options.

Let me spell it out for you.

A  C O M P A R I S O N  O F  T W O  C O M P L E T E L Y  D I F F E R E N T  O P T I O N S

LOL! You can spell all you like but if you don't get the message, spelling won't help you. How was it a comparison of PCI-E SSD VS SATA3 when the hdd was not in any shape or form representative i.e. capable of saturating the available bandwith in sata3?

So either you admit that the title or the comparison itself was completely off.

IF the title was right as TD claimed, the comparison should indicate somehow the comparison with PCI-E vs SATA3. To do so, the comparison should have been the PCI-E device vs. Raid0 SSD on SATA3.
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2011, 12:44:33 PM »
I finally understand "I'm stuck on stupid".

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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2011, 02:15:34 PM »
Quote from: guncrasher on January 07, 2011, 12:44:33 PM
I finally understand "I'm stuck on stupid".

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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2011, 02:26:34 PM »
Yeah you just don't understand what you're even talking about and let's leave it at that  :devil
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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2011, 10:44:53 AM »
While the title is misleading, I did enjoy his review and hope to read more TD's reviews in the future.


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Re: PCI SSD vs SATA 3
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2011, 11:17:14 AM »
Quote from: Kermit de frog on January 09, 2011, 10:44:53 AM
While the title is misleading, I did enjoy his review and hope to read more TD's reviews in the future.

You'll be waiting awhile.   He's done giving discounts and writing in this section of the Forum.
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