How F3 can improve shooting

[TwinBoom]

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[lyric1]

No F-3 in the MA would also have the effect of making it much harder to bomb tanks at a spawn in A-20s and other bombers with the F-3 option. I would like to see F-3 out of the DA & MA.

I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.

Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.

A20.



AR234.



B25C.



B25H.



B26.



BOSTON.



IL-2.

[mechanic]

I made it for hitech, he says he wanted to see how f3 mode gave u a better shooting advantage

I understood,  I thank you.

[warhed]

Not to argue with you lyric, I understand that argument, and partially agree.  However, how would you explain the lack of F3 in the 110, or the Mossie VI vs the Mossie XVI F3 modes?
Or what if you lose the tail gunner in say the IL-2, your F3 mode remains even minus the extra set of eyeballs back there.

[uptown]

Why can't I get the film to download?! 

[Changeup]

Of course F-3 gives a shooting advantage, how could it not. In the MA you know if you are below your opponents line of sight. He will have no gun solution on you and you can slip his shot. However in the DA the guy using F-3 mode can make fantastic shots from out side his plane. Aiming has nothing to do with it. You simply use the planes out side view like you would a garden hose and spray tracers like water. Then adjust the stream until you hit the target, It ain't no mystery.

 I bet 90% of the super shooters in the DA use it while pleading innocence if you call them on it. Most times they will be flying something with a lot of ammo like a P-47 or a perked cannon ride that don't need many hits to get a kill.  I see a use in the TA for F-3 mode but not in the MA or DA. No F-3 in the MA would also have the effect of making it much harder to bomb tanks at a spawn in A-20s and other bombers with the F-3 option. I would like to see F-3 out of the DA & MA.

The other unmentioned advantage is sight.  in F3, you can see E V E R Y T H I N G coming at you, almost at you, and anything that will get to you next week.  I started out in the DA and if HiTech shuts off the F3 feature, he will lose half of that crowd....guarantee you that.  The regular DA guys almost never go to the MA...only when there arent 40+ people at the DA lake.  They all claim they are just as good in the MA (shot %) as they are in the DA.  I have never gotten one to come "see", lol.

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[R 105]

Maybe use F-3 in bomber formation flights only. If you up a single bomber like an A-20 or IL-2s, Then no F-3 mode for you. I do believe the DA's furball lake would be a ghost town without F-3 mode.

[lyric1]

Not to argue with you lyric, I understand that argument, and partially agree.  However, how would you explain the lack of F3 in the 110, or the Mossie VI vs the Mossie XVI F3 modes?
Or what if you lose the tail gunner in say the IL-2, your F3 mode remains even minus the extra set of eyeballs back there.

OK lets start with 110's.
 
As you can see in both models you have an unobstructed view behind you if you set your views up right for the pilot. Also they don't have a bomber only designation in game. So HTC has not given it F3 mode because it was not a dedicated bomber.

BF110C-4B.



BF110G-2.



Mosquito VI.

Has a fighter only designation in game & again a great view behind you if you set your views up right. So no need for F3 here.




Mosquito XVI.

This has F3 mode & also a great view behind you. Since it is a dedicated bomber HTC has given it F3 mode as do all the dedicated bombers do in game.



Now loosing the the tail gunner & extra eyes. Well since around the pilot there is a steal tub plate almost completely obscuring the pilots view & also it to has a dedicated bomber title in game you have F3 mode.

[warhed]

I was just playing devil's advocate.  I don't see why one Mossie should have F3 and the other one not have it.  Why would a dedicated bomber with no gunners have it?  My point about the 110 is; it has a tail gunner, which seems to be a factor in if a plane has F3.  But it doesn't because it has no bomber mode, even though it carries more ord than an IL-2. 

[Melvin]

I think I counted 9-10 against F3 and 1 kind of for it.

1 very confused Uptown as well.

I like the idea of disabling weapon usage while in F3 mode.

<S> Melvin

[Tyrannis]

I think I counted 9-10 against F3 and 1 kind of for it.

1 very confused Uptown as well.

I like the idea of disabling weapon usage while in F3 mode.

<S> Melvin

no.

most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.

if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.

and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.

[mechanic]

no.

most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.

if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.

and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.

Most of us don't care about F3 mode at the lake.

There was another purpose to the 'Dueling' arena before the furball lake was created ya know...

[DREDIOCK]

I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.

Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.

A20.

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AR234.

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B25C.

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B25H.

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B26.

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BOSTON.

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IL-2.

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The solution is simple. make it On bomber type aircraft you can view in F3. But not be able to shoot or drop bombs. They can use the same type SA that AW had. little icons at the edge of the screens to let you know if someone else was near you and roughly where

[R 105]

 I don't see why any fighter would have F-3 Mode except in the TA where it has a use. Not being able to fire weapons or drop ords from bomber type aircraft in F-3 would solve the problem in the MA.

[LCADolby]

HTC could always decide to ditch the "design choice" of having no mirrors. 

The AR234 had an awesome periscope, which allowed crews to sight the enemy and use the 20mm rear facing guns