Nothing to see here, move along

[Melvin]

Shane, come back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4LWt2KUB8

[antivortex]

Let me help you current AvsA players out

Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......

he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )

edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads   ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....

doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....


had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time  

So your saying shane is actually storch?

[Shifty]

Yeah, Shifty, it seems it's at least a monthly occurrence every time someone stumbles through the AvA front door, realizes they are in the wrong place, and starts slinging mud to cover their exit to the MAs.  

I think Bug asked the question about the thread, and you guys would be well served to heed what TequilaChaser says... Shane would wipe the floor three or four of your average AvA pilots at the same time. He's no noob or old guy with bad eyesight. Plus if Rammey can get in your head Shane can make it explode.

[NormH3]

Not sure what "weaksauce" refers to but I was in last night and there was a bit more piling on than usual. I still had a blast though..seems I'm staying alive a little longer these days. I never did understand the "this sux..Im leaving" posts. Most of us don't really care.
I did notice some different gameid's last night..at least different too me. I think more are trying AvA...for every one thats lost...2 more hang around

[captain1ma]

Sounds like someone got waxed

waxed, cleaned and buffed!

[Shane]

Eh... I may wander in now and then to check things out...

but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.

This argument has been made repeatedly I'm sure - and it still holds up, one's eyes > monitor. Sure I could get used to it, but why?

There's a reason one can toggle through icon modes, if *you* want to play without icons, nothing stops you as an individual.

Eh... it's your playground.


<edited to add film - when did photobucket get all pissy about file type?>

http://www.mediafire.com/?wfgvue2w5p2wh5v

[captain1ma]

shane, you're one of the best pilots i've ever gone up against. while my skill level is so severely lacking that i have no right to even be in the same arena as you, its your choice to decide whats right for you. We all happen to like no icons and you dont, and thats fine. we would hope that you would give it another shot some time in the future but for now if its not your cup of tea, you're welcome to that opinion.

its not always 1 V 4 but, it can be. when it is, it sucks and even i leave. but tomorrow is another day. hopefully you'll stick your head in there again sometime and test the waters on a better day.

[RTR]

Hey Shane, good to see you.

While I agree that enemy icons off and friendly on, you get an advantage when entering a furball, however, it is a different set up when you are 1vs1 or 1vs2 etc. That is where I find the challenge.

It would be great to see you here more often.

cheers,
RTR

[CAP1]

Let me help you current AvsA players out

Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......

he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )

edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads   ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....

doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....


had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time  

i know he's been around a long time......and don't give a dam. he is who he is. the AvA arena is absolutely the BEST arena in this game to fly in.

 he got ganged.....we all have. if he's here crying after getting ganged, what's he gonna do when he gets picked?

 just get back in the arena, and have fun........don't friggin come here crying about it. especially in the BoB set up........the last time one of them was run, it was the most fun i'd had in a single engine plane. and yes, i did get ganged in a 3 or 4 -1.

[jimson]

The friendly icon distance has been shortened from the default. I believe we decided to leave it on so that you can tell who your friendlies are as individuals, not to give a ganging advantage.

Yes, a young WWII pilots eyes would have been better than the monitor image we get, so we realize it's not entirely realistic but neither are neon billboards. It's just a choice that seems to add some excitement and immersion to the game.

While not for everyone, on balance we think it has improved the arenas popularity, as it is distinctly different from other arenas.

As far as ganging, picking and other "weak sauce," if you know of another arena where that's never going to happen, that might be the place to go.

We think game play is better here or at least certainly no worse in general than anywhere else.

[crowbaby]

I've just come back myself, messed round the different arenas, but so far the only one I've enjoyed is AVA.

It's true the no-icon thing is quite gamey, but that's down to the limits of monitor resolution. I couldn't see the cons at all until i turned off anti-aliasing.

As for the ganging - numbers are so low they vary a lot across the two sides. Plus, low numbers mean people can be impatient to finally get into a scrap (particularly those taking a low fuel load). I've already been caught by a few four on ones, and i've sometime been guilty of not passing over a fight when i should (though to be honest some AVA guys are so good i'd never get them down in a 1v1).

Getting ganged is realism too, forces me to keep my speed up, weigh my options before committing to a fight or upping with cons inbound on the field. In the MA it pisses me off, in the AVA i honestly don't mind it, even enjoy the challenge.

At the same time i've seen so much chivalric behavior that i was even inspired to let a smoking 109 go and land yesterday, against all my instincts!

[gyrene81]

personally i don't give a rat's behind who shane is or how long he's been around...doesn't make him anything but a good gamer, just like hundreds of others who have come and gone...sure doesn't mean he deserves anything that everyone else doesn't.

fact is you can get ganged in any of the arenas where there are more than 2 people in...no reason to make a big deal out of it...the same "gangtard" complaints get posted in the general discussion forum on a regular basis...imo, it would have been a different story if someone had asked shane for his opinion in a public discussion, but that didn't happen.

but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.

some of the settings are "concessions" based on playability...the dot dar is on as a concession so players can find a fight fast and bar dar alone does not work well...it has been tried.

in an arena with only 2 sides, there is really no need for an icon to identify a foe...no enemy icons and short range friendly icons makes learning how to correctly identify friend from foe at distances beyond icon range a necessity for success...it can be a challenge but, just like learning how to stir you joystick better than everyone else, it gets easier with time.

[ImADot]

but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.

It's not like YOUR friendly icons are off...

And like has been said already...as MA players wander in, they bring along the MA mentality and baggage.  If they stay long enough to see what it's all about, things tend to go back to the balance of people switching to even things out and people staying out if it's already a lopsided fight.

Oh, and (not directed at you Shane, just a generalization here)...it's more fun for everyone if ego and Intardnet-tuffboi attitudes are checked at the lobby before entering. 

[TequilaChaser]

Eh... I may wander in now and then to check things out...

That sounds good, hopefully I'll catch ya online.......

i know he's been around a long time......and don't give a dam. he is who he is. the AvA arena is absolutely the BEST arena in this game to fly in.
he got ganged.....we all have. if he's here crying after getting ganged, what's he gonna do when he gets picked?

personally i don't give a rat's behind who shane is or how long he's been around...doesn't make him anything but a good gamer, just like hundreds of others who have come and gone...sure doesn't mean he deserves anything that everyone else doesn't.

it doesn't bother me if people care who Shane is or not, what bothers me is all the newer people acting as if they have something "Special" in the AvsA and think every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming in to this AvsA is just another noob or some MA flyer who is here by mistake or just here to test the waters.......... when in all honesty, most of the people you have learned from and gotten better by probably learned or got their arse's waxed repeatedly by someone like Shane or Urchin or Leviathn or 1Duke1 or Eagler the list goes on..... until they learned to hold their own against them.... those people are the ones that the newer people are learning from 4 yrs ago, 3yrs ago, 1yr ago....etc......... while you might not care who he is, I do.... and a lot of others in the AvsA does as well......

as for Shane, he smack talks, and does it with only the game in mind, as I said before, it is part of getting in your head and getting you off your game, as Shifty kindly backed me up on....  but one thing I can say, if you get a chance to fight Shane and want to better your cartoon plane flying skillz, ask him to practice with you, any where any arena, and learn how to maneuver these pixels.....

So your saying shane is actually storch?

umm........ I could of sworn you were........  

btw.... I'm no angel, I too have come here numerous times angry over the fact I had to fight 4 / 5 / 7 / 8 to 1 in the AvsA, and I am sure Shane knows the AvsA (at least in the past ) is/was the best arena to fly in..... alot of others have also done the exact same..... just saying

[TequilaChaser]

shane, you're one of the best pilots i've ever gone up against. while my skill level is so severely lacking that i have no right to even be in the same arena as you

ROFL.. quit acting like you don't know how to push a pixel around  .. you have as much right to be anywhere in any arena as anyone else ( includes anyone & everyone )