262 peer

[Kazaa]

That's just it. The Meteor suffered from very poor stall characteristics and a nose that couldn't track a target well at all.  Add to that it was slower in all flight regimes, sluggish and unresponsive to control inputs,  and had horrible roll rate... and the 262 controls the parameters of the engagement.  This means the 262 controls how the fight starts, what regime it flows into, and when it ends... being able to disengage at will.  Sorry Krusty, I don't have any agreement with you in this, other than the Meteor III had a better flat turn radius and guns with better ballistics.  

The fight basically comes down to an A6M (better flat turn, less acceleration, lower top end) versus a Ki84 (higher top end, higher acceleration, more stable), in prop plane comparison.  The Ki controls the how the fight progresses.  If the 262 refuses to enter into a turn fight at medium/low speeds (like the Ki in that example)...a Meteor should present hardly a problem.

Stolen quote, but tells the whole story.

The Me262's stall isn't exactly perfect either. I've lost count how many times I've pushed the Me262 to complete vertical stall and had the thing do a couple backflips before I could regain controlled flight.

I know nothing of the Meteor Mk. III acceleration, I know it's rate of climb is exactly the same as the Me.262.

[Krusty]

Most of the comments I've read about the Meteor say (despite whatever handling/trim) it was very manuverable and gave spitfires a run for their money. So maybe it was PICKY... but it still turned very tightly while being picky.

[Kazaa]

I strongly believe that the Me262 was the dominant jet fighter of the two. I also believe the Metoer Mk. III would have a much easier time picking off prop planes.

[Imowface]

I agree about fighting other planes, the 262 is very easy to avoid when flown right if you are paying attention, and they are easy kills if they hang around and try to 1v1 you

[FLS]

It seems a bit odd to only have one jet fighter.  What jet airplanes were operational in ww2? I readheard there were P80s in italy prior to the end of the war.

Do you think it's odd that we only have one rocket fighter? Don't we have all the fighter jets that meet HTC's criteria for inclusion?   

[Wmaker]

Regarding the maneuverability, in tactical trials against the Tempest Mk.V Meteor Mk.III turned inside the Tempest and could get to the Tempest's tail in approximately four turns. Considering the weight of the Me262 in AH, Meteor had a wingloading of only roughly half of that of the Me262's. The directional instability of the Meteor was really bad and the oscillation (snaking) just increased with speed. Trying to lessen this tendency with rudder just made it worse.

On thing that would have given Me262 a huge tactical advantage especially in real life is significanly higher critical mach. This along the fact that it was faster makes it overall the better fighter. In Aces High things are different from real life/war in many ways and many of these differences skew the situation for the Meteor. In real life it would be squadron of Me262s against squadron of Me262 and that would rarely happen in the AH MAs. In real life the higher critical mach and top speed are very important. In AH the fights would be mostly against prop planes and in these situations people do things in 262s what they wouldn't do so readily in real life like slowing down, that would make it easier prey for the Meteor. Also, even with poor directional stability the hispanos are dangerous to clearly longer distancies than they normally were in real life.

[Debrody]

I strongly believe that the Me262 was the dominant jet fighter of the two. I also believe the Metoer Mk. III would have a much easier time picking off prop planes.

Here we go, you wanna an even easyer picking machine  
Anyway, i dont mind, just perk it. Simmilar to the 262.   Btw could you get a report that a meteor killed any flying enemy aircraft? If yes, its almost sure sooner or later you can fly it.

[moot]

From everything I've seen, the J and the L have the same radius. They should, since they are the same weight (in AH), have the same fuel tanks/loads, and the dive flaps have no effect on turning radius (again, in AH).

I'm not sure I'd call that graph a reliable source.

Yep it's outdated but it should be good enough for ballpark.  I deleted all my AH stuff last year or I'd work an up to date chart from those datasets with sustained turn radius/corner speed/revolution time/flap setting/etc.

The Me262's stall isn't exactly perfect either. I've lost count how many times I've pushed the Me262 to complete vertical stall and had the thing do a couple backflips before I could regain controlled flight.

Borderline hair splitting, but that sounds like as good a stall as you could expect from a low thrust heavyweight with wingloading at least as bad as any prop dogfighter in the game.

[moot]

dp again

[JOACH1M]

Borderline hair splitting, but that sounds like as good a stall as you could expect from a low thrust heavyweight with wingloading at least as bad as any prop dogfighter in the game.

The 262's backflip stall is bad, it looses all speed, falls like a rock. I can see why you say it's "good stall" because your main ride was a 152

[moot]

The 262's backflip stall is bad but not nearly as bad as the misuse needed to get it there.  The 262 wasn't made for extreme low speed stall fighting and yet it recovers on its own.  In fact you'll have more trouble pulling out of a spitfire's inverted tail-first spin than the 262's autonomous recovery.

"It loses all speed and falls like a rock".  ORLY?  It's got less low speed thrust, more weight, at least as much uneven weight distribution, and worse wingloading than most planes in the set, and it's the least designed for low speed agility.

[Krusty]

Do you think it's odd that we only have one rocket fighter? Don't we have all the fighter jets that meet HTC's criteria for inclusion?   

He162 was fielded in at least 2 units, and 2 more "youth groups" (aka rushed civilian volunteers) were also set up -- but not so many records left about those. They saw combat and even a couple were shot down at the end of the war. Despite mostly being grounded due to lack of aviation fuel, they meet the criteria..

I'd love to have the 162 with both 30mm and 20mm options. 30mm for bomber hunting, 20mm for fighter killin'!

[dirtdart]

Could be interesting to see a meteor in a furball.  All the 262s (with the exception of a very elite few) zip by and pick.  Maybe a tempest level perked jet is in order.  It seems clear the 262 was the king of the WWII jets, time to let some of the princes in the fray. 

[Kazaa]

The Spitfires "inverted tail first spin" is very easy to recover from, just cut the engine and relinquish all control.

[moot]

What a ludicrous comparison....