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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2011, 01:50:02 PM »
Now remember boys: Play war by the rules and be nice out there while you maim and destroy other human beings with violent explosive kinetic energy  :old:

War needs a penalty box.

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2011, 01:54:59 PM »
War needs a penalty box.

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2011, 02:22:46 PM »
Sniper kills unarmed Soldier delivering a mercy message.  That is murder.  Penalty for murder is death.  Sniper was executed.  Executed=Death.  It's not like the GIs could have found a Judge, Public defender and a jury of his peers where they were.  In the end he got what he deserved.  So what if the execution was carried out by opposing forces.  That soldier is the same as the guy at the gallows dropping the floor.  Only difference is that it wasn't ordered by a dude in a black robe.

I agree with all those who say don't speak unless you're in that situation.  Not have ever been there, in "THAT" situation.  It's a horrible thing to go through and I thank God I've never been called on to do it.  If or when I ever do though I certainly will be Judge and Jury if someone murders my friend in a non battle situation.
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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2011, 02:34:35 PM »

Shoot?  No. 

But I will cut on him a while (carefully tying things off).

Either way, he's not making to an internment camp.

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2011, 02:44:39 PM »
The war with Japan was inevitable, the US was not willing to lose its sphere of influence in the Pacific.

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2011, 02:46:34 PM »
And I'll repeat that you're not a very intelligent little kid.  Maybe you should get one of your parents to read my post for you and have them explain it to you slowly in simple terms that you can understand.

Japan bombs Pearl Harbor = Starts war with United States and culminated in the atomic bombings to end the war.
Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor = No war with United States = No dropping of atomic bombs

Hopefully, the person you get to read my post so they can explain it to you has more functioning brain cells than you do.

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ack your stupidly missing my point entirely.

if we wanted to drop the bombs soley because of pearl, we would never of offered japan a chance to surender before we had done it.


we would of just gone ahead and droped without any warning at all.

we had allready got our revenge for pearl. by devestating one of japans major harbors in the pacific (i cant remember the name, but im sure you know what im talking about).

after that, it just became how fast we could end the war.

like i said twice before, pearl was NOT the majoring factor in the decision to drop the a-bomb.


and you call me stupid, yet do you REALLY believe america would not of been dragged into a war with japan if they had not attacked pearl harbor? the japanese were rolling islands in the pacific. if they had not attacked pearl, then it would of been another american island that would of dragged us into the war.

but like i said dont argue with me old man. because i'd rather not read your wikipedia knowledge. go argue with the author of the book i read to learn this.  :rolleyes:

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2011, 03:02:02 PM »
ack your stupidly missing my point entirely.

if we wanted to drop the bombs soley because of pearl, we would never of offered japan a chance to surender before we had done it.


we would of just gone ahead and droped without any warning at all.

we had allready got our revenge for pearl. by devestating one of japans major harbors in the pacific (i cant remember the name, but im sure you know what im talking about).

after that, it just became how fast we could end the war.

like i said twice before, pearl was NOT the majoring factor in the decision to drop the a-bomb.


and you call me stupid, yet do you REALLY believe america would not of been dragged into a war with japan if they had not attacked pearl harbor? the japanese were rolling islands in the pacific. if they had not attacked pearl, then it would of been another american island that would of dragged us into the war.

but like i said dont argue with me old man. because i'd rather not read your wikipedia knowledge. go argue with the author of the book i read to learn this.  :rolleyes:





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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2011, 03:31:52 PM »
I agree with Tyrannis.  We dropped the bomb to end the war not as a direct result of Pearl Harbor.  By Ack-Acks reasoning we might as well say we dropped the bomb because Hitler was born.


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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2011, 03:54:04 PM »
I agree with Tyrannis.  We dropped the bomb to end the war not as a direct result of Pearl Harbor.  By Ack-Acks reasoning we might as well say we dropped the bomb because Hitler was born.



I see you're just as bright as Tyannis and both are utterly incapable of simple reading comprehension.  Why don't you both gets some adults that can read and comprehend the Engish language and have them explain what I wrote.  You and Tyrannis are shining examples of the failures of our shool system in this country.


My point is, if we were not at war with Japan there wouldn't have been need to drop the bomb on Japan which was a response to the other ignorant child that posts in here that was critizing the US for dropping the atomic bomb.   


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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2011, 03:56:54 PM »

like i said twice before, pearl was NOT the majoring factor in the decision to drop the a-bomb.


and you call me stupid, yet do you REALLY believe america would not of been dragged into a war with japan if they had not attacked pearl harbor? the japanese were rolling islands in the pacific. if they had not attacked pearl, then it would of been another american island that would of dragged us into the war.

but like i said dont argue with me old man. because i'd rather not read your wikipedia knowledge. go argue with the author of the book i read to learn this.  :rolleyes:

No offense but your lack of knowledge of WW2 history and you trying to portray some knowledge of it is, well, just utterly mind boggling. 

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2011, 04:03:47 PM »
No offense but your lack of knowledge of WW2 history and you trying to portray some knowledge of it is, well, just utterly mind boggling. 

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:bhead ok ack, i can tell that nomatter what facts are thrown in your face, or how many ppl agree with me, your still going to think your right. no matter what.
whatever, lets move on. not worth arguing with a stubborn old man who never admits when he's wrong.



back on topic.
if the sniper had NOT of shot the messenger, but still ignored the surende request and killed 4 soldiers even tho there was no chance of him escaping, would you guys still feel the same about the situation? or is it only because he shot the messenger that your saying taking his life was just?

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2011, 04:06:43 PM »
back on topic.
if the sniper had NOT of shot the messenger, but still ignored the surrender request and killed 4 soldiers even tho there was no chance of him escaping, would you guys still feel the same about the situation? or is it only because he shot the messenger that your saying taking his life was just?
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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2011, 06:17:38 PM »
A)  What crack are you smoking today?
B)  Get a refund on your forum trolling lessons if you still can.
C)  Stop blaming the history teacher for punishing you for your bad habits and shortsightedness.  Just because you're one of the kids never in the class until 10-seconds before or after the bell rings doesn't mean the teacher is stupider than you for not letting you skip out on something that's good for you but you obviously want to avoid as much as possible.  And if you're gonna make yourself look like a fool infront of class because you're about to wet and soil your pants like a 2-yo, I guess that's your buisness, but I'm assuming none of you kids - all smarter and more intelectualy mature than the teachers and staff lecturing you- have ever walked to your next class as swiftly as possible, deposited your bags and books and informing your teacher before the last minute you have to hit the restroom and apologize in advance for being a little late?  (Always worked in my school classes and still to this day, letting people know you'll be a little late for whatever reason _before_ you know for a fact you're gonna be a little late, it's a courtesy that establishes trust and that portrays you as a mature and responcibile individual that won't light the boy's restroom on fire or drop the ball on a major proposal/client.  When you showup, as promised and ready, you proved it.)

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The US did have a sphere of influence in the Pacific- the Phillipines, the Hawaiian islands, various atolls, and Alaska to a lesser extent.  The US and Japan both wanted control of the world's largest body of water, and the Pacific war was therefore inevitable.

Not to mention the oil embargo on Japan, which gave the already militant regime in power all the more reason to lash out.  This did not justify the war, it merely encited greater hostility.  As for the nukes, they ended up saving more lives (on both sides) than would have been lost as a result of a D-Day style invasion of the mainland.  The radiation poisioning and cancer were their horrid consequences, however.

Back on topic- the shooting of the sniper was understandable, but that still does not make it right.

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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2011, 06:27:41 PM »
back on topic.
if the sniper had NOT of shot the messenger, but still ignored the surende request and killed 4 soldiers even tho there was no chance of him escaping, would you guys still feel the same about the situation? or is it only because he shot the messenger that your saying taking his life was just?
messenger or not...sniper shot 4 men...if those men had been in my unit, i personally would have shot him as soon as he showed his face...casualty of war, move on.

now, considering you have less than zero experience with getting shot at...let alone being in a combat situation as a soldier...the dilemma for you is to try and imagine what it's like to be scared, tired, dirty, hungry and thirsty...haven't had more than 4 hours of sleep in nobody knows how long...seen a good number of your friends wounded or killed...been shot at...had bombs, artillery, mortar shells and grenades dropped on you...and you have already killed a lot of men that tried to kill you...then watch a sniper kill 4 men you have fought side by side, shared food and water with, slept in the same cold muddy foxholes with, hell you even know the names of their wives, children and/or girlfriends...and there wasn't a thing you could do to help them or stop the sniper until he gave up...and you're going to let the guy live?
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Re: murder or justification in the war?
« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2011, 06:30:28 PM »
Again, it's a question of it being morally right vs it being understandable.  These are two distinct things.

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