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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #405 on: March 30, 2011, 05:12:20 AM »
Bat,

How bout there in Japan?

I'm not worried about it... I live within the 50 <20km ring actually> mile ring here in the US.
Really not the point.

Here in Cali we have the Bakesfield natural gas deposit, one of the largest in the world to date. It was discovered back in the 50's by Hess Oil, some loley geoligist and his crew, named Edward  McCollough. We could split gas that and make Hydogen and Co2 , send the C02 back into the well to push out the Gas and burn the Hydrogen for power, which is what 20x the power of the gas?. The exhaust is water.

Why do we need this here?
Why would we make some so damaging if pretel something went wrong? Why put it on a fualt line?
What are the alternatives?
How many of these mothers do they have in UK? 19
How many are going off line? Why?

We need nuclear because nothing else matches it as far as power output, and safety.  It is also an extremely clean fuel source.  Right now, and for a very long time to come, the only viable alternative to nuclear is coal and natural gas.  Guess which one is less harmful to the environment and humans....nuclear.
In the U.S. and now Japan, we face a dire problem of demand being greater than supply of energy.  There is no other fuel source other than coal and gas and nuclear capable of keeping supply above demand.
It truly is as simple as that.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #406 on: March 30, 2011, 05:47:50 AM »
They're going to start dispersing a resin on the ground at the facility to limit the spread of wind-blown particles.
An enclosure using special fabric is going to be erected over the #4 building soon as a test for the same reason.
The contaminated water in the turbine buildings and trenches outside the turbine buildings may be transferred to a field-modified tanker brought in just off shore of the plant. There is nowhere else near to store that much water.

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« Reply #407 on: March 30, 2011, 05:59:45 AM »
We need nuclear because nothing else matches it as far as power output, and safety.  It is also an extremely clean fuel source.  Right now, and for a very long time to come, the only viable alternative to nuclear is coal and natural gas.  Guess which one is less harmful to the environment and humans....nuclear.
In the U.S. and now Japan, we face a dire problem of demand being greater than supply of energy.  There is no other fuel source other than coal and gas and nuclear capable of keeping supply above demand.
It truly is as simple as that.



Because it needed repeating.

So, since you are in the field, talk to me about Thorium. 

Is it really a viable alternative? 

Has there been enough research? 

Is it really safer?

Is it just a pipe dream?
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #408 on: March 30, 2011, 06:42:58 AM »
Because it needed repeating.

So, since you are in the field, talk to me about Thorium. 

Is it really a viable alternative? 

Has there been enough research? 

Is it really safer?

Is it just a pipe dream?


An old student of mine wrote a term paper on the thorium fuel cycle and viability. I'll see if I can dig it up


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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #409 on: March 30, 2011, 11:33:35 AM »
We need nuclear because nothing else matches it as far as power output, and safety.  It is also an extremely clean fuel source.  Right now, and for a very long time to come, the only viable alternative to nuclear is coal and natural gas.  Guess which one is less harmful to the environment and humans....nuclear.
In the U.S. and now Japan, we face a dire problem of demand being greater than supply of energy.  There is no other fuel source other than coal and gas and nuclear capable of keeping supply above demand.
It truly is as simple as that.



Hydrogen would be alot better

First Hydrogen Power Plant in Italy
"This power plant has a capacity of 12 megawatt and burns hydrogen gas in a turbine developed in partnership with General Electric."
http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/first-hydrogen-power-plant-in-italy/


New Mexico Hydrogen Plant
"The 10-megawatt New Mexico plant would be designed to smooth the natural variability of the energy created by wind and solar generators, creating enough electricity to power about 6,000 homes and business"
http://cleantechnica.com/2009/07/16/firm-to-build-first-utility-scale-hydrogen-power-plant/#


Australia Hydrogen Power Plant
"Mr Lasich's technique heats the water to 1000 degrees Celsius, a temperature at which the process delivers 140 watts worth of hydrogen for every 100 watts of electricity.
The hydrogen would be stored and used to produce power after dark, by converting it directly to electricity through a fuel cell or reverse electrolysis, or using it to power a generator."
http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.22c.html


Abu Dhabi Hydrogen Power Plant
"The hydrogen power plant will generate approximately 400 MW of low-carbon electricity"
http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9031897&contentId=7058364

Molokia Hydrogen Power Plant
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/521136.html

Hydrogen Energy California power plant
http://hydrogenenergycalifornia.com/





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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #410 on: March 30, 2011, 12:42:02 PM »
IAEA calls nuclear safety summit amid Japan crisis

"The disaster has prompted a rethink of nuclear power around the world, just as the technology was starting to regain momentum"
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103290166.html

ANALYSIS: How long will radioactive water leak from crippled reactors?
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103290167.html

What tempature does plutonium burn at?
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« Reply #411 on: March 30, 2011, 03:11:56 PM »
How long before we can build a power station in space?
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« Reply #412 on: March 30, 2011, 03:31:43 PM »
How long before we can build a power station in space?

Soon as they find an extension cord long enough that Skuzzy won't trip over


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« Reply #413 on: March 30, 2011, 03:37:48 PM »
Soon as they find an extension cord long enough that Skuzzy won't trip over

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« Reply #414 on: March 30, 2011, 03:38:37 PM »
How long before we can build a power station in space?

It will make one hell of a re-entry  :lol
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« Reply #415 on: March 30, 2011, 03:46:40 PM »
Last I heard thorium reactors are around 50 years off.  Considering if we started building a traditional PWR right now, it would be be 2-4 years before even that would be online (in the U.S.).  So 50 years is probably the minimum.  
Wind and Solar don't have the output to replace nuclear or coal, and probably never will, they will most likely only be supplemental.  
We are closely approaching an energy crisis in this country, where supply won't match demand.  While alternative energy source R&D needs to continue, we also need to act now, not later.

A 10 megawatt hydrogen plan just isn't going to cut it.  My single reactor plant puts out over 1600, that's for 2 years straight 24\7 before needing a refuel.  Coal can match nuclear output, but it is literally continually refueled.  Once a nuclear plant starts burning it's fuel, it practically runs itself.  They are incredibly reliable and safe, barring a natural disaster of epic proportions.  If countries prefer polluting themselves with the byproducts of coal, then I guess we can live in a nuclear free world, that's an awfully big step backwards in my opinion.  You're talking at the very least 50 years before a power source comes along able to replace coal.

I just don't understand the outrage and fear when it comes to the Japan nuclear situation.  Where is the international outrage when a coal mine explodes, when a fly ash pond decimates miles and miles of land, when mountain tops are literally torn apart to get at coal, when mercury from coal plants is linked to human disease, etc.  Yet even after Three Mile Island and Japan, when nuclear power shows how safe it can be even when the worst possible scenario happens, it's still treated as a nuclear bomb about to go off at anytime.
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« Reply #416 on: March 30, 2011, 04:02:35 PM »
Soon as they find an extension cord long enough that Skuzzy won't trip over

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« Reply #417 on: March 30, 2011, 05:19:36 PM »
Yes, sadly the crisis in the Japanese reactor is like the Hindenburg disaster when it comes to ending popular support for a technology.

I read an article a while back about putting solar panel farms in orbit..thousands of them.. that could provide power to the entire planet. We can do this with today's technology. Problem is getting the power down to earth. Cant use a power cord and beaming the power down with some sort of laser is rather difficult to do :P

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« Reply #418 on: March 30, 2011, 07:00:16 PM »
Warhead nailed it again. Hydrogen is incredibly clean and is produced from water, but that's about it for pros.  It creates very small amounts of electricity (due to limitations in teh technology these days) and requires over a 50% investment of power before you see any returns.  These plants are not self-sustaining, so if we have a natural disaster and the plant isn't able to get the 6 megawatts it needs to produce 10 megawatts, it is creating 0 megawatts.  Hydrogen is finding its most support at the moment from coal and oil companies because they know it's something with the word "green" on it they can invest in while still ensuring their own industries dependence on their existing coal and oil burning power facilities.  The same reason is why these companies heavily invest against nuclear, because nuclear can be self-sufficient and has the potential to put them all out of buisness (nuclear doesn't need 6 megawatts of "dirty" power to creat 10 megawatts of clean power, it jsut hums out 10 megawatts).

Look into it, you'll find lots of petrolium money backing the hydrogen or other alternative fuel researches that will have a dependence on oil while moving forward with almost nothing being given to the others.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #419 on: March 30, 2011, 08:08:00 PM »


.....I just don't understand the outrage and fear when it comes to the Japan nuclear situation.  Where is the international outrage when a coal mine explodes, when a fly ash pond decimates miles and miles of land, when mountain tops are literally torn apart to get at coal, when mercury from coal plants is linked to human disease, etc.  Yet even after Three Mile Island and Japan, when nuclear power shows how safe it can be even when the worst possible scenario happens, it's still treated as a nuclear bomb about to go off at anytime......

I think it's because uranium and plutonium are F-O-R-E-V-E-R and fly-ash, coal mine explosions, mountain tops torn apart and mercury poisoning isn't.

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