Worst A/C of ww2

[Shiva]

YB-40-like sending a Sherman to protect a Ferrari

The problem with the YB-40 was that, unlike the B-17s that it was escorting, it couldn't drop the weight of the armor over the target, which meant that it couldn't keep up with the bombers on the return flight unless they all throttled back to stay with the YB-40.

Everything I've ever read indicates it was a high speed taxi test, and there was never the intention at that time to become airbourne.... she lifted off rather unexpectedly, and they put her right back down.

More accurately, Hughes claimed after the flight in his own defense that the aircraft lifted off unexpectedly and he couldn't hold it down. How much of that is true is debatable, given the man's desire to see it fly.

[Guppy35]

Haven't seen the name Shiva in a while.  Wouldn't be an old Airwarrior guy would ya?

[Grendel]

maybe the finn's were better pilots then us, but probably not, look what happend to them after Yak's and La's started to replace the older types that were getting shot down by brewsters

What happened then?
To my knowledge, to those Yaks and Las were then being shot down by the Brewsters.
New tactics had of course to be invented and things were harder for the BW-pilots, but the fine planes struggled on until the wars end, in the end flying against the Germans. Not bad for a pre-war design.

[33Vortex]

Whatever the type was that should be considered the worst of WW2 this game would not be complete without it. There are literally hundreds of additions that could be made to this game, and it would make it that much more interesting. In that perspective I don't understand why HTC expanded into WW1. From a marketing standpoint yes, but from a gameplay standpoint, absolutely not.

[Imowface]

I agree with you vortex if the Ba.88 was in game, i would fly it lol

[Reaper90]

Whatever the type was that should be considered the worst of WW2 this game would not be complete without it. There are literally hundreds of additions that could be made to this game, and it would make it that much more interesting. In that perspective I don't understand why HTC expanded into WW1. From a marketing standpoint yes, but from a gameplay standpoint, absolutely not.

Turner, aren't you supposed to be working on High Blue Pt II?????

!!Back to your movie studio!!   


 

[Ardy123]

You really should find better reference sources, instead of the tabloid types.

lol, I assume you must be Finish?
If so, don't let your sense of national pride obstruct the truth, Finish pilots weren't demigods, nor were the American pilots total garbage, nor was the Brewster anything hot...The Germans had huge successes against the Russian air force in the early half of the war for the same reasons.

BTW, by 1943, for the most part the Finns switched to 109g2s, around the same time the Russians started to get their act together.

[Karnak]

Ardy123,

MiloMorai is not Finnish.  He was likely referring to the absurd claim that the Soviets were using 1920s era aircraft against the Finns.  You will find, with slight research, that the I-16, I-153 and DB-3 were not remotely 1920s aircraft, let alone the Hurricanes and LaGGs.

[Debrody]

MiloMorai,
the finnish pilots were very well trained. Tipical quality vs quantity story.
Plus their rides were modern in '40, and they updated them.

[Ardy123]

Ardy123,

MiloMorai is not Finnish.  He was likely referring to the absurd claim that the Soviets were using 1920s era aircraft against the Finns.  You will find, with slight research, that the I-16, I-153 and DB-3 were not remotely 1920s aircraft, let alone the Hurricanes and LaGGs.

Ok, so the 1920s may have been a slight exaggeration, but at the time of "Operation Barbarossa" (1941), less than 25% of the soviet air-force had 'modern' equipment and aircraft.

I haven't seen anything to imply that they had tons of LaGGs and Hurricans, and I-16 was considered out of date...

"Fewer than a quarter of the WS's fighters were modern MiG-3s and LaGG-3s; more than a quarter of the remainder were biplanes, even more out of date than the ageing I-16s which were the most numerous type of plane in use"

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-1459288/The-Soviet-Air-Force-versus.html

Remember the Winter war started in 1939, and the follow-up continuation war started in 1941.

[Pigslilspaz]

I'm sorry but the US/British F2A would have been easily bested by the Finnish B-239.  The allies added too much to it in my opinion and turned it into a dog. I also would love to remove the US skins from the 239 in game.

[MiloMorai]

Ardy123,

MiloMorai is not Finnish.  He was likely referring to the absurd claim that the Soviets were using 1920s era aircraft against the Finns.  You will find, with slight research, that the I-16, I-153 and DB-3 were not remotely 1920s aircraft, let alone the Hurricanes and LaGGs.

Thanks you Karnak and Debrody.

Nice breakdown of claims by a/c by Finnish aces, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_Finland

The Soviets deployed 3,885 a/c against the Finns. http://www.winterwar.com/forces/SAF.htm#sovplanes.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Finland

"The Finns were overjoyed, and they began flying their new fighter. Of the six Buffalo B-239 fighters delivered to Finland before the end of the Winter War of 1939–1940, five of them became combat-ready, but they did not enter combat before this war ended."

So Ardy123, the Finns used their B-239s in the Continuation War against modern Soviet a/c.

[Debrody]

Ardy was talking about the soviet air force in '41. There were no Laggs, Jaks, Ils, mostly I16s. The most modern fighter was the Mig-3, what was fast at high altitude, but was a brick and had very weak guns. The new generation of soviet fighters arrived at about the siege of Moscow, but still in limited numbers. And the finnish front was only a secondary war to the red army and air force, they had to face and beat Germany first. The old planes were in service in the finnish front when they were retired on the main fronts. True, the finns had some old aircrafts too, but their superior pilot training could balance the soviet policy to send untrained masses to the battlefield.
 But i bet, Imow and WMaker knows much more than me.

[bozon]

While the P-39 was not the worst plane of WWII, it is perhaps the most wasted potential. A series of brilliant decisions such as removing the supercharger castrated the plane into uselessness. Same as with the P-51 that was a meh plane for low alt work till a Merlin and two stage supercharger later it became one of the top WWII planes - the P-39 could have been a legend as well and be that legend in 1942 already.

There was a website that had a detailed story of how this plane was crippled. Can't seem to find it now.

[33Vortex]

There was a website that had a detailed story of how this plane was crippled. Can't seem to find it now.

It's what happens when domestic industry wage war among eachother for govt contracts. Engineering brilliance routinely gets squandered in fruitless projects that despite their potential are sorted out in favor of a different corporation.

It's just how the industry works and it's the same during peacetime. For a modern day example check up on the Polish Bielik jet trainer. It was a domestic polish project and with modern materials very economically efficient even if you disregard the fact it would be a domestic product thus the money would go into the Polish economy. So what do the Polish govt do? They buy British Hawks, used and bruised since the 70's and 80's and far more expensive to operate.

Another example from Poland would be the PZL-230F Skorpion.

That's the power of bribes and the fallacy of corrupt politicians. So I have to ask, exactly how do you think this would be any different in wartime?