1 in 6 Americans are hungry!

[Ardy123]

That's why there's a section labeled "Conclusion". In sum, they find two effects: the org tends to cut back on solicitation when they get government funds and givers tend to give less as well. In short, what's going on is that the elevation of charitable administration by government tends to displace it from the local arena thus.

This has the added impact of making it more distant, less acountable, no doubt. But then, that's part of the reason.

Do a little thought experiment: 3.7T... deduct $650B for defense. Round to $3T. That's enough money to provide a $60k income for 50Million people - 16% of the population of the US. Last I checked, that income level is well above poverty level. The official number of poor in the US is about 40M, many co-occur in the same family. So where's all that money going? Don't look at defense - we already deducted it. Think about it. Then go look. It's publicly available. But please don't anyone tell me it goes to the poor. Most does NOT.

break down the US budget.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Must have struck a cord with you.. feeling threatened?

Now your trying to pull the age/job card and have resorted to personal insults... The funny part is I probably make more money than you and am also twice that age.

Nice try, but running up the white flag (or posing, for that matter) isn't going to work. You see, the source you can possibly impeach but there facts are easily verifiable. Try this one:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19409188/ns/us_news-giving/
record 300B in 2007..

or this one: http://www.npt.org/philanthropy/philanthropy_stats.asp

I could go on. Once again, you are unburdened by fact. Go ahead, fly away, little bird. All I can say is, if you make more than me, somebody's paying waaaay too much for someone with no discernible skill in research - and little verve in argumentation. Good luck with life, kid. It ain't Aces High.

[PJ_Godzilla]

break down the US budget.
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Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040.  Care to interpret?

[Ardy123]

Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040.  Care to interpret?

I could go on. Once again, you are unburdened by fact. Go ahead, fly away, little bird. All I can say is, if you make more than me, somebody's paying waaaay too much for someone with no discernible skill in research - and little verve in argumentation. Good luck with life, kid. It ain't Aces High.

   Of you go running your mouth cuz you don't like what I have to say  

If I'm a kid, you are an intellectual infant resorting to insults...

cry me a river baby! cry away!

wha wha whaaaaaaaa shut up 'kid' wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaa


  you don't agree with me   you must be a kid  


 

[PJ_Godzilla]

Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040.  Care to interpret?

Here, Ill help. Fully half the pie there goes to SS and MM. Medicaid is the only part of that that even licks at the sac of means-testing. Social Security laregly goes to older people, yet they're the wealthiest contingent, age-group wise. Not saying that's wrong -they paid in, after all. However, it might be time to rethink defined benefit in favor of defined contribution on that one, especially given the inverted pyramid of age we're facing. Discretionary, of course, is the little chunk everyone argues about because the entitlements cited before are more or less impossible to change. Keep your eye on that interest number, for it will esxpand radically because of two primary effects: ballooning deficits and ballooning inflation. Remember those debt buybacks? See Quantitative Easing...

Your world is about to change. How funny is that?

[Ardy123]

Here, Ill help. Fully half the pie there goes to SS and MM. Medicaid is the only part of that that even licks at the sac of means-testing. Social Security laregly goes to older people, yet they're the wealthiest contingent, age-group wise. Not saying that's wrong -they paid in, after all. However, it might be time to rethink defined benefit in favor of defined contribution on that one, especially given the inverted pyramid of age we're facing. Discretionary, of course, is the little chunk everyone argues about because the entitlements cited before are more or less impossible to change. Keep your eye on that interest number, for it will esxpand radically because of two primary effects: ballooning deficits and ballooning inflation. Remember those debt buybacks? See Quantitative Easing...

Your world is about to change. How funny is that?

Despite your worthless attempt to insult again...

We are in agreement about the above quote at least  

[PJ_Godzilla]

 Of you go running your mouth cuz you don't like what I have to say  
and so on...

It's not that you disagree with me. It's that you argue with icons and opinions. I don't know educated people who do that. There are rules to debate of which you seem unaware. When I correct you, it's actually serious - for example, on your general assertions or your incorrect statement about irony. It seemed fundamentally unserious. I suppose you could be older than 15 -  Ill concede you that. The only reason I threw that out here was in attempt to get you to focus on the issue instead of turning it into a p*ssing contest.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Despite your worthless attempt to insult again...

We are in agreement about the above quote at least  

No,no... There was no insult there. Understand, I'm playing the ball here, not the man.

And, I'll add here, if you are 30, guess what, you're going to be the unlucky one holding the bag on this crap in 20 years or so - when the whole thing goes totally insolvent. I'll have already cashed out and will prbably be in warmer climes by then.

I'm just telling you, my generation, and even more so yours, has been sold a huge bait-and-switch by a pack of either fools or truly evil muthahforgivers. The worst part is, it was sold in appeal to what is genuinely good in most people. Their real shortcoming was they didn't check the facts. good intentions...

[Ardy123]

for example, on your general assertions or your incorrect statement about irony.

That was the most important part of the discussion..... the fact I should have said "Hypocrisy" instead of "irony".

and no, you started to fling insults because you became frustrated, nothing more, nothing less...


As for grants, if you want facts here....

here is one that mildly correlates to OP initial post about hunger
"Emergency Food and Shelter National Board Program"

[PJ_Godzilla]

That was the most important part of the discussion..... the fact I should have said "Hypocrisy" instead of "irony".

and no, you started to fling insults because you became frustrated, nothing more, nothing less...

I won't deny some frustration.

[grizz441]

This thread is finally starting to get some meat on its bones.  

[phatzo]

This thread is finally starting to get some meat on its bones.  

a virtual smorgasboard

[Getback]

I apologize if it appears I was taking hunger lightly but in fact I question those stats and don't believe 50 MILLION Americans fight hunger. My own town is typical, and we have a population of 15,000 people. Breakfast and lunch is provided daily to schoolchildren form underpaid or poor people. We have an active food bank supported generously by the community, We have two shelters that provide hot meals every evening. As a matter of fact I have yet to hear of a single person dying of starvation due to unavailability of food in my community, nor an any other, not counting willful cruelty that results in starvation of a victim.

I would really like the people who believe 50 million Americans go hungry to site their sources for arriving at those statistics...all I saw was a highway sign stating that as fact but call me skeptical, I'm not buying it. Please, show me your unbiased links.

Exactly!

BTW is this my thread? I was going for humor.

[DrDea]

 You people making fun of this will eat your words.

[canacka]

I forgot was I was reading thanks to seeing phatzo's sig