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Offline Tank-Ace

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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 01:00:57 PM »
Frontal armor was 76mm. Thats thinner than the Panzer's, and the panzer seems none too resiliant to shells.

T-34, for comparison, has something around ~100mm with armor slope factored. With APDS it might be better than the T-34, but with APCR it would be just slighly inferior IMO.


If they gave us APDS, then (on paper) its gun would be slightly superior to even the KwK 40 and M1 76mm, but who knows how much "damage" HTC would have it do.
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 02:20:53 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on August 10, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
Tiger II.

Seen Wartime footage with KTs on the Eastern Front. (In Squadron strength)
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 02:45:15 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on August 10, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
Me163.  Ta152H-1. Ar234.  Tiger II.

German units in AH don't seem limited by that.

All four of those have kills, how many did the Comet or Meteor have? None (discounting shooting down unmanned V-1 bombs), Pershing seen more combat destroying I believe 2 German tanks and that's it.

Comet is out of the question, however if Brits are so required to have tanks in game then the Churchill or Cromwell have already been asked for. Cruiser tanks could be added when more interest is built for Mid/Ear war.
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 02:58:11 PM »
Comet did see combat.  I find this a bit distasteful, but are you sure it didn't kill any Germans?
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 06:10:46 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on August 11, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
Seen Wartime footage with KTs on the Eastern Front. (In Squadron strength)

Got a link to that?  And the ones you mentioned in Normandy? 
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 06:16:10 PM »
I mentioned the Tiger II's in normandy.

They served with Abteilung 503.


Quick link I found on the internet, if you want me to do some more research just ask.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2011, 06:40:39 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on August 11, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I mentioned the Tiger II's in normandy.

They served with Abteilung 503.


Quick link I found on the internet, if you want me to do some more research just ask.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm

Thanks.  Interesting stuff.  I can do some digging on my own.  I've just never seen any photo evidence of Tiger IIs in Normandy.  The September and later time frame is what has always stuck in my mind.
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2011, 08:50:49 PM »
Abteilung 503....served with Army Group West and first saw action in Normandy around Caen. # 3 Kompanie if I recall was the first unit of the Abteilung to see action in IIs since it was the first one to be completely equipped with the IIs.
 The PZKW $ was a fine tank and it does not get it's due here in the game. It was updated greatly with the interduction of the F2 specials and later variants to include bolt on armor to the glacis plateing as well as the skurzen which served well as a defense against HEAT rounds. The 75 L48 was a match for any gun up to the the 76mm soviet and american guns. As with any tank it makes it's trade off on side armor as is with many "assault" tanks of it's time. when used as it was supposed to be used it could best even the 34/85.
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2011, 09:59:49 PM »
Quote from: Butcher on August 11, 2011, 02:45:15 PM
All four of those have kills, how many did the Comet or Meteor have? None (discounting shooting down unmanned V-1 bombs), Pershing seen more combat destroying I believe 2 German tanks and that's it.

Comet is out of the question, however if Brits are so required to have tanks in game then the Churchill or Cromwell have already been asked for. Cruiser tanks could be added when more interest is built for Mid/Ear war.
Define kills please in regards to the AR-234?
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2011, 11:07:58 PM »
1 Kompanie has the Tiger IIs. You're thinking of 3 Kompanie that was devestated by bombing. Not a single one of their Tiger I's escaped without at least having a track blown off.
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2011, 11:28:15 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on August 11, 2011, 11:07:58 PM
1 Kompanie has the Tiger IIs. You're thinking of 3 Kompanie that was devestated by bombing. Not a single one of their Tiger I's escaped without at least having a track blown off.

Battalion staff, 1st Company and 3rd Company received Tiger II tanks along with the Panzer Lehr Division, which also fielded Tiger II tanks during the Battle for Normandy.


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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 12:35:58 AM »
Anyone got any photos of those Tiger IIs in Normandy?
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2011, 02:27:00 AM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on August 12, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
Anyone got any photos of those Tiger IIs in Normandy?



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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2011, 02:39:58 AM »
They were right in front of me.  I've had the Panzer Color's series of books forever going back to the days when my oldest son and I built models of German Armor.  They have photos of Tiger II in Normandy

Give me a Panzer MK III with the short barreled 50mm cannon and I'll start driving tanks. 
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Re: Are the Brits being 'dissed ?
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2011, 04:09:44 AM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on August 12, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
Anyone got any photos of those Tiger IIs in Normandy?

One of Panzer Lehr Division's Tiger II's abandoned after being bombed during Operation Goodwood.



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