The Grizz-Venn System

[Ardy123]

  Since when do train drivers know anything about flying?   

 

[JunkyII]

Has the brew been nerfed at all in the last 5 months?

If not it is still easy....

Reasoning...ability to change direction in that plane at most speeds is incredible...Zeaks have to worry about breaking off parts at high speeds. Guns...some say 4 50s is kinda weak for guns but i think thats just because they can't aim...give you a longer range to touch people at and in close they are still lethal with a single short burst. Plane doesn't lose it's E fast like say a KI61, but yet is a good diver.

Eny on the bird should be lowered to the same as the Hurricane seeing they show similar k/d in almost every tour for the last 6 or so months....

[Lusche]

Eny on the bird should be lowered to the same as the Hurricane seeing they show similar k/d in almost every tour for the last 6 or so months....

There is a bigt difference in K/D between Hurri II and B-239. For the first 6 months of this year, the Brewster had an average  K/D of 0.85 while the Hurri had 1.32. See my chart on the first page of the "Spixteen perked?" thread.

[Wmaker]

Eny on the bird should be lowered to the same as the Hurricane seeing they show similar k/d in almost every tour for the last 6 or so months....

There is a bigt difference in K/D between Hurri II and B-239. For the first 6 months of this year, the Brewster had an average  K/D of 0.85 while the Hurri had 1.32. See my chart on the first page of the "Spixteen perked?" thread.

Heh.

...sometimes it really makes you wonder...

[Debrody]

Another Brew-brew fight...
As for the zeeks: The Brewsters clearly superior to the a6m2: has WAY better guns, can take some damage, turns a bit worse but still wins in the scissors due to the better roll-rate.
                         Very close to the a6m3 in the low-speed turnfight characteristics, but still has better guns, isnt a zippo lighter and can dive. True, climbs a lil bit worse and slower at medium to high alts.
                         Outmaneuvers the a6m5 but slower. Still has better guns, can hang on the prop 'forever' and can dive.
in 1v1 it eats the hurri2C for lunch. In the many vs many, the hurricane should win.
Its clearly the best turnfighter in game, what also can dive (catch the opponent, very inportant), controllable at 60mph with its nose pointed straight up, can get kills from 800 yards... but dead once youre co-E.
I got Maker once when he was in the Brew. True, i was a timid beyotch, but did exactly what can make a brewster: avoid the BnZ, extend when it slows down, climb then turn the tables.

[Wmaker]

True, i was a timid beyotch, but did exactly what can make a brewster: avoid the BnZ, extend when it slows down, climb then turn the tables.

I think I remember that engagement. You weren't a timid B*tch at all! You flew exactly how you are supposed to fly in a G-6 against a Brewster.

Don't take this as an excuse but I was sure that killshot which IIRC took my vertical stab wasn't going to hit me and that was the reason I evaded the way I did. I had to look it from the film as I was so sure that you didn't have the angle to hit. When viewed from the film, the hit was like 4-5 plane lengths behind my plane. I know there is certain lag all the time due to the speed of the Internet but that amount of lag is more than I usually experience. I do realize that due to the Internet we are "dragging a target behind us" it just was more behind that time than I've usually experienced. I have to dig that film up, it was an engagement that stuck to my mind.

[Changeup]

Does anyone have the link to JUGlers's thread about the brew outturning a6m's?  If this is true we need to change the brew engine sound to a calliope.   

Here it is...I was a participant along with Shuffler etc...

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,304106.0.html

[crazyivan]

Has the brew been nerfed at all in the last 5 months?

If not it is still easy....

Reasoning...ability to change direction in that plane at most speeds is incredible...Zeaks have to worry about breaking off parts at high speeds. Guns...some say 4 50s is kinda weak for guns but i think thats just because they can't aim...give you a longer range to touch people at and in close they are still lethal with a single short burst. Plane doesn't lose it's E fast like say a KI61, but yet is a good diver.

Eny on the bird should be lowered to the same as the Hurricane seeing they show similar k/d in almost every tour for the last 6 or so months....

FU junky nerfed my arse. 20 beers and it still flew like chit, yet i saw akak boastin  his pounce kil wooo

 im spying on these Pigs on the wing, will give info when i know wtf they talking about . code waystins in the barn  

[68ZooM]

FU junky nerfed my arse. 20 beers and it still flew like chit, yet i saw akak boastin  his pounce kil wooo

 im spying on these Pigs on the wing, will give info when i know wtf they talking about . code waystins in the barn  

lol fun flying with ya last night Ivan.

[grizz441]

Updated Venn



Brewster has been adjusted slightly.
Zekes adjusted slightly
G14 added
La7 Adjusted

[Debrody]

When viewed from the film, the hit was like 4-5 plane lengths behind my plane.

Im sorry... even tho we live relative close to each other, that dang signal has to travel all the way to Texas and back to Europe... I have about a ping of 200, possibly you have the same, thats half a second overall, whats a LOT.

[Changeup]

Updated Venn

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Brewster has been adjusted slightly.
Zekes adjusted slightly
G14 added
La7 Adjusted

Not quite acceptable yet...more data to come.

Changeup

[Wmaker]

Im sorry... even tho we live relative close to each other, that dang signal has to travel all the way to Texas and back to Europe... I have about a ping of 200, possibly you have the same, thats half a second overall, whats a LOT.

Your plane was a bit jerky during that engagement and I remember we talked  something about your ISP after that fight. Did you perhaps change it after that? Because in all the fights we've had after that one your connection has seemed as smooth as anything else. Mine is somewhere around 182ms on this ADSL, it used to be around 160ms on cable.

Found the film btw! Ironically, I didn't lose vertical stab but caught fire from one clansing hit. Something only happens to Zekes but never on Brewsters I hear. I would upload it but I haven't installed filezilla on this 'new' rig of mine yet.

[Reaper90]

I know I've been away for a while, but what's with the Wmaker bashing?   He's always been a stand up and informative guy and I've never seen him out of line in-game nor here on the boards.

Just don't question anything that he has proclaimed himself "master of all knowledge of" or he'll verbally abuse and insult you back into hiding!  

I quite frankly couldn't give a crap about the Brewster and flight model one way or the other, I just find it amusing that about every third post I see from Wmaker is him going off on an angry, insulting tirade because someone doesn't think it's as "non-uber" as he thinks it is.  

Possibly the perception of Wmaker in this manner is a result of the impersonal nature of bbs communications and he's a much more reasonable, personable guy in real life than he appears here.

Or possibly his real life personna actually is the arrogant, condescending Napoleon-complex he sometimes appears to be on the bbs...... Most of us will never know!  

[Wmaker]

Just don't question anything that he has proclaimed himself "master of all knowledge" of or he'll verbally abuse and insult you back into hiding!  

I quite frankly couldn't give a crap about the Brewster and flight model one way or the other, I just find it amusing that about every third post I see from Wmaker is him going off on an angry, insulting tirade because someone doesn't think it's as "non-uber" as he thinks it is.  

Possibly the perception of Wmaker in this manner is a result of the impersonal nature of bbs communications and he's a much more reasonable, personable guy in real life than he appears here.

Or possibly his real life personna actually is the arrogant, condescending Napoleon-complex he appears to be on the bbs...... Most of us will never know!  

The point just won't go across, obviously. I'm sure my short fuze is partly to blame, no doubt. But no one seems to (or wants to?) look at the reason why my fuze has gotten shorter and shorter. On this board, and I guess in Internet in general, it seems to be ok to post any kind of BS drivel and then when some one calls the BS talker on it they tend to act all hurt and insulted as we all know how delicated and tender people's feelings can be, and then the guy who called on it is the bad guy. No matter how many times the said BS talker spreads his manure, he has to be treaded with silk gloves, no matter how low he manages to drop the level of the discussion. With enough of this kind of idiots, attitudes and BS talkers any meaningful discussion degenerates into something that doesn't have any information value what so ever but the disinformation value is through the roof.

I have absolutely zero need to "defend" Brewster here. No proof of its aledged "overmodelling" has been forthcoming and the reason for that is that every test I've done on it and compared the results to the primary source materials shows that it is actually pretty dang close. Even if it would be overmodelled, the ones who think it is couldn't really prove it anyway because generally they show no motivation or/and ability to do any research or testing.

And as I said, in the end, it isn't even about Brewster but the methodology and logic how claims like these should be made and what kind of proof should be put forth with them in general. I just happen to have studied Brewster enough to remember an ok amount of numerical values of it off hand so it is easy for me to see right away when someone is talking complete BS about it. And oh dear, this board sure is full of it compared to the actual useful information. And because of these loud mouths that don't follow any reasonable logic or methdology or do any research, the useful informantion drowns in a big pile of manure, which in itself is a great shame and a source of great amounts of frustration.