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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #120 on: August 15, 2011, 08:11:35 PM »
if you see me on and feeling fiesty.   :t

feelin real fiesty right now...but Ive been up for like 50 hours so not tonight.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #121 on: August 15, 2011, 09:30:48 PM »
As long as you end up with the 109K being the hardest to use, it's all good.   :banana:   :noid :bolt:
In other words, "How can I define it to make the Bf109 rate poorly?"

:D. If mr grizz wants an arbitrary gunnery modifier then by golly I'll give him one if it's simple to do.  Whuteva. 

But we all know what the score really is ;).
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2011, 09:38:31 PM »
:D. If mr grizz wants an arbitrary gunnery modifier then by golly I'll give him one if it's simple to do.  Whuteva. 

But we all know what the score really is ;).

I quit.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #123 on: August 15, 2011, 09:53:28 PM »
I quit.

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:D  ...oh no you don't!  Drag me into putting more gunnery stuff in it and then run-off.  :furious  I'm already adding the columns for ya.
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #124 on: August 15, 2011, 10:33:28 PM »
I quit.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #125 on: August 15, 2011, 10:37:51 PM »
:D  ...oh no you don't!  Drag me into putting more gunnery stuff in it and then run-off.  :furious  I'm already adding the columns for ya.

You took my honest attempt at taking arbitrary, yet potentially measurable metrics, and sullied it.  My ember now gloweth not.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #126 on: August 15, 2011, 10:51:39 PM »
You took my honest attempt at taking arbitrary, yet potentially measurable metrics, and sullied it.  My member now groweth not.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #127 on: August 15, 2011, 10:52:41 PM »
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #128 on: August 15, 2011, 11:40:01 PM »
LOL that was a real hanging curve you threw Shane there Grizz.  Not surprised he powdered it! :)
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2011, 08:31:59 AM »
LOL that was a real hanging curve you threw Shane there Grizz.  Not surprised he powdered it! :)

I blame the English language's tendency to produce rhymable words, consequently leaving me exposed.  I also blame you.  It seems to be the in thing.
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2011, 09:00:48 AM »
The size of the aircraft.     A P38 is  a large target whereas a 109 is a small target.  It makes a huge difference.  You could take that further and look at the size of the target from the dead 6 and then in plan view. 

To me, aircraft that are stable at very low speeds or that retain control authority at very high speeds are easier, too.  Then there's the speed at which flaps can be deployed and controllability in a stalled or near stalled condition.   There are lots of factors that aren't covered.  Zoom climb ability is another one that is relevant to this game...How many cup-holders etc.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2011, 10:25:28 AM »
I blame the English language's tendency to produce rhymable words, consequently leaving me exposed.  I also blame you.  It seems to be the in thing.
What about the plants....ramp up the ember and let's get this easymode BS answered for all time.

Shane and Corky...please leave Grizz alone....if he works on this long enough, it will take him weeks to get proficient shooting taters again. See?
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »
Alrighty...had to take some of my lunchtime to complete this...here is the modified excel file.  Right click to download it.

Gunnery Adjusted QPM excel 2007 file

I added 4 columns for you guys asking for the stuff: 1)visibility, 2)ballistics, 3)ammo, 4)lethality.  You can determine which weighting you want.  I just left it at 25%/25%/25%/25% for the time being.  Adjust as you wish.

The gunnery modifier algorithm is:
A) Derive a gunnery score based on the above factors. 
B) Divide this score by the reference score.
C) adjust this score by a scaling factor (user adjustable, currently set at 1/2).
D) mutliply both the X and Y axis by the modified score.

You just now need to go through and set your reference gunnery score, the weighting factors, scaling factor and go and fill out the visibility, ballistics, ammo, lethality ratings for every airplane.  Have fun storming the castle!  :D

I stripped out the exponents for my S/W*P/W*P metric to keep it simple.  The gunnery modifier section makes up 60% of the spreadsheet :eek:.
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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2011, 03:32:01 PM »
Will be taking a look at this when I get home tonight dtango.

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Re: Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn
« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2011, 03:33:41 PM »
thanks for the PM dtango, will work on a few ideas when college allows.
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