remember that famous WWII photo?

[hotard]

The one of the jap pow camp in indo-china, at the end of the war when the japs had bugged out, and the prisoners were waiting to be liberated.. You know the one where they painted the sign on the roof "Japs Gone Extract Digit"????  I first saw that picture in a book when I was very young, and didn't understand it at all.. I askde dad, and I don't remember what he told me, but it wasn't exactly the correct interpretation.

It's kinda how ENY is working in the MA when a certain chess piece has 180 to 100 advantage in numbers and an eny that barely affects the planes they can fly.. Really HTC you need to extract digit and fix the eny formula as long as you have no other way to balance numbers.

[Ack-Ack]

I know you're skill level doesn't allow it but try and learn to fly something other than a La7.

ack-ack

[TylerMac]

Believe the Rooks had like 50 more people and an ENY od 2.0 tonight?

[W7LPNRICK]

Believe the Rooks had like 50 more people and an ENY od 2.0 tonight?

No, it was ENY Rooks 11-13 when I was on... 

[MachFly]

The one of the jap pow camp in indo-china, at the end of the war when the japs had bugged out, and the prisoners were waiting to be liberated.. You know the one where they painted the sign on the roof "Japs Gone Extract Digit"????  I first saw that picture in a book when I was very young, and didn't understand it at all.. I askde dad, and I don't remember what he told me, but it wasn't exactly the correct interpretation.

It's kinda how ENY is working in the MA when a certain chess piece has 180 to 100 advantage in numbers and an eny that barely affects the planes they can fly.. Really HTC you need to extract digit and fix the eny formula as long as you have no other way to balance numbers.

  I'm lost here. Are you looking for that picture or are you complaining about the ENY? I don't understand what the two have incommon.

[Wiley]

Wow, that's a pretty long way to go to get around to an ENY whine.  Kudos for the originality of the execution, but you lose points for the staleness of the whine subject.   It gets a solid 4.  Thank you for your performance.

Switch sides if it's an issue, or did you switch to get the victory perks and were stuck for 12 hours?

Wiley.

[uptown]

I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am  . Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME   I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40.  
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.

[chaser]

I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am  . Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME   I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40.  
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.

I gotta agree with all of that. I personally don't switch sides anymore b/c my squad flies knights. But before I was in the squad I switched pretty regularly to go to GV fights or go to a low number side to build perkies faster. Then the 12 hour rule came along and messed up all my fun. Some of us actually enjoy fighting and HTC has taken away the ability to switch sides to go where the fight is. After all isn't this game about promoting fights?

I'm a huge hater of the ENY system as well. I don't care how many more players the other team has, they pay their $15/month I think they should be allowed to fly what they want and I should be allowed to fly what I want even when my team's numbers are high. Again, I thought this game was about promoting the fight.

These two systems seem to discourage fighting. i can't speak for everyone but I know when I don't have a fight on my side or the ENY is to high to fly or drive anything decent I log. Everytime.

[MachFly]

I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am  . Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME   I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40.  
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.

That's a valid point. I actually have the same problem, one of the things that I look forward to when opening Aces High is flying the Spit14, and as you said quite often you can't do it because of the ENY. These days I have about ~10 hours a month of play and it really sucks when I can't fly the plane that I like. However I can't think of anything that would replace the ENY and perks, and we can't just remove them. So until someone comes up with a good idea to substitute ENY and perks we'll have to stick with what we got.

Hotard, you can't be blaming HTC for something that you don't like until you come up with a solution to the problem. By posting a complain you only identify the problem, than you expect HTC to be smarter than you and come up with a solution. Most of the time that's not going to work. If you really want to remove ENY or change it you need explain a new system that will take it's place. I tried thinking of one and came up with nothing, you don't see me posting threads saying "this sucks, change it!" I recommend you start thinking of a new system if the ENY really bothers you.

[Biggamer]

Very good point zone eny sounds like a w inner imo 

[BigR]

Very good point zone eny sounds like a w inner imo 

Local ENY has been suggested many times, but no one (that i know of) at HTC has ever acknowledged the idea. ENY as a system is a failure. There are a handful of side switchers who go where the fight is. The hardcore "win the war" types are undeterred by lack of choice. They fly the crappy planes in a horde just as effectively as they fly the good planes. A horde is a horde. They dont care what plane they take. The only thing that can salvage ENY imo is to make anything that carries troops much lower ENY than it is. Maybe if they lose their precious troops, they will think twice...if that doesn't work, we need to scrap the ENY limiter system completely, and start over from scratch. Maybe with a well thought out strat system, and some other objectives than just capturing bases....something that would break up the horde a bit. I dont have the answers. I wish i did. All i know is that the current system doesn't work, because no matter how bad eny gets, people dont switch. The ones who do switch are offset by the people from the other countries who switch to the hording country because they like being in the horde, not a victim of it. You see it all the time when a country is about to win the war...the imbalance gets even greater because people give up.

[Citabria]

cheap jet vs tbms = dead horde

mmm cheap jet

[Debrody]

Akak, idk why was this needed. Even tho we got a consensus about his skills, you missed his point badly.
Anyway, increase the effect of eny would be totally useless  unless theres a major change in the 12 hours thingy. Think about it.

[VonMessa]

190 A-8 = 30 ENY

30mm or 2 x 20mm guns = dead enemy plane and a nice handful of perks

whines on 200 from the horde about being lame and flying a tater plane or how the A-8 is not correct in it's current ENY slot = priceless

 

[Latrobe]

190 A-8 = 30 ENY

30mm or 2 x 20mm guns = dead enemy plane and a nice handful of perks

whines on 200 from the horde about being lame and flying a tater plane or how the A-8 is not correct in it's current ENY slot = priceless

 

Most 109 = 30+ ENY too  (K4 and G14 are the only two under 30). 109's can keep up with most planes, turn with most planes, and out-climb most planes. It just takes a bit more skill to fly, but it's a good way to test your skills and get better.