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[Tilt]

Tilt you have a far more narrow personal definition of what "fighter" is than most nations in the world. While you might argue the Beau is an "attacker" (variation on "fighter") the 410 is a fighter just as much as the 110 is, just as much as a Sturmbock Fw190 is. Just as much as a 262 is. None of these were "air superiority" fighters, a term which was not created until the F-15 design many many years later.

They simply were fighters. Or do you consider a P-47 no longer a "fighter" because it's used to carry bombs so much?

Maybe

but of course the 110 was initially designed and pressed to service as a "fighter" in every sense of the word  (as an air superiority ac) and only latterly was it removed from this role when it could not "fight" ac that just outclassed it.  For me the tell tail definition comes when the main mission statement of an air craft, when in use, was to "avoid" contact with enemy fighters. A mission statement that applied to the 410  in every respect, at no time did it ever enter service with the role to combat enemy fighters.

and yes the F8 looked at in isolation is similarly defined as pure attack aircraft (Jabo) that used a modified air frame to achieve its role which was classic hit and run with the absolute and categorical mission statement to avoid enemy fighters at all costs........yet we would call it a fighter?

The P47 was a multi role air craft in this sense.....as many were........ able and missioned to  carry out roles of escort, interception, combat air patrol as well as ground attack..............much like the P38 and the P51..they were designed as and used as fighters................ and other roles.

Its just a bit of pedantry any way

[moot]

Pretty sure I remember the 410 being ordered out to fight allied fighters along with ground/air strat targets (bombers etc) a handful of times (ie once or twice), but with the consequences we know.  If not at brass HQ level, then squadron lead level.   At least one of the most "famous" 410 jockeys went down fighting single seater fighters.  From his own instigation, after successful allied fighter engagement.

[Krusty]

The Me210 and Me410 were direct replacements for the 110 as the next in the Zerstorer line, which was a heavy fighter intended to take heavy weaponry and destroy enemy planes with it. The bombs were just useful for when it wasn't doing that. The performance of the craft doesn't negate its role or mission...


Or would you remove the classification of "Fighter" from the Boomerang? It wasn't capable of fighting any Japanese craft, and couldn't even shoot down 1 plane in its career.... Is it still a fighter? The designation is such because that's how it was built and designed. The adaptation of its use is secondary to its nature. Or would you classify a Ju88 as a flying bomb with no crew, just because some were adapted as such later in the war?

[Kazaa]

Which version of the Meteor is in the vote? I would resub in a heart beat if AH modelled the Gloster Meteor F Mk.III.

[Tilt]

Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

when Zerstorer  actually means ...................... ?
and
Jagdbomber (jabo) actually means......................?
and
Scnellbomber actually means.....................?

Was the Me 410 used in the Jagdwaffe?   No

and what was the role of the Zerstörergeschwader  in 1943? I contend that it had no  (fighter) air superiority role  as it may have had in 1940 and further from its introduction onwards the 410 was missioned to avoid enemy fighters....its only air to air role being that of (mostly escorted) bomber interceptor

I think stuff was a bit more complex than Krusty would have us believe  and he has caused me to sink to a new low but the following  shows a more complex structure than he would have us believe

Jagdgeschwader (JG) – A day fighter Geschwader (literally "hunting wing"), typically equipped with Messerschmitt Bf 109 or Fw 190 aircraft flying in the fighter or fighter-bomber roles.
Nachtjagdgeschwader (NJG) – A night fighter Geschwader, typically flying radar-equipped heavy fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 110 or Ju 88 against Allied bombers.
Zerstörergeschwader (ZG) – Zerstörer (literally "destroyer", as in naval destroyer). These units were usually equipped with twin-engined heavy fighters such as the Me Bf 110 or Me 410 .
Schlachtgeschwader (SchlG, since 1943 SG) – Schlacht (German: "strike") These were ground attack or close air support Geschwader, initially equipped with the biplane Hs-123, later with Hs-129, fighter-bomber variants of Bf 109, and ground-attack variants of Fw 190.
Sturzkampfgeschwader (StG; Stuka Geschwader) – dive bomber Geschwader equipped mainly with Ju-87; on 18 October 1943, most of them were re-designated Schlachtgeschwader (SG).[26]
Kampfgeschwader (KG) – literally combat wing, primarily a medium bomber unit, with typical aircraft being the He 111 and the Junkers Ju 88.
Lehrgeschwader (LG) – a Geschwader created to test new equipment under operational conditions and to evaluate new tactics. Personnel from a unit of this type could fly several types of aircraft.
Transportgeschwader (TG) – typical aircraft being the Ju 52/3m or the Me 323. The "TG" designation was a result of the reorganization of the transport branch in 1943.
Kampfschulgeschwader (KSG) – a Bomber Training School Geschwader.
Luftlandegeschwader (LLG) – a Glider Geschwader for the Fallschirmjäger or Paratroops.
Schnellkampfgeschwader (SKG) – fast bomber wing. Two units equipped with single- or twin-engine fighter bombers and used for ground-attack or hit-and-run missions over the United Kingdom. Later absorbed by other units or re-designated as Schlachtgeschwader.

[gyrene81]

Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

when Zerstorer  actually means ...................... ?
and
Jagdbomber (jabo) actually means......................?
and
Scnellbomber actually means.....................?

Was the Me 410 used in the Jagdwaffe?   No

and what was the role of the Zerstörergeschwader  in 1943? I contend that it had no  (fighter) air superiority role  as it may have had in 1940 and further from its introduction onwards the 410 was missioned to avoid enemy fighters....its only air to air role being that of (mostly escorted) bomber interceptor

I think stuff was a bit more complex than Krusty would have us believe  and he has caused me to sink to a new low but the following  shows a more complex structure than he would have us believe

Jagdgeschwader (JG) – A day fighter Geschwader (literally "hunting wing"), typically equipped with Messerschmitt Bf 109 or Fw 190 aircraft flying in the fighter or fighter-bomber roles.
Nachtjagdgeschwader (NJG) – A night fighter Geschwader, typically flying radar-equipped heavy fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 110 or Ju 88 against Allied bombers.
Zerstörergeschwader (ZG) – Zerstörer (literally "destroyer", as in naval destroyer). These units were usually equipped with twin-engined heavy fighters such as the Me Bf 110 or Me 410 .
Schlachtgeschwader (SchlG, since 1943 SG) – Schlacht (German: "strike") These were ground attack or close air support Geschwader, initially equipped with the biplane Hs-123, later with Hs-129, fighter-bomber variants of Bf 109, and ground-attack variants of Fw 190.
Sturzkampfgeschwader (StG; Stuka Geschwader) – dive bomber Geschwader equipped mainly with Ju-87; on 18 October 1943, most of them were re-designated Schlachtgeschwader (SG).[26]
Kampfgeschwader (KG) – literally combat wing, primarily a medium bomber unit, with typical aircraft being the He 111 and the Junkers Ju 88.
Lehrgeschwader (LG) – a Geschwader created to test new equipment under operational conditions and to evaluate new tactics. Personnel from a unit of this type could fly several types of aircraft.
Transportgeschwader (TG) – typical aircraft being the Ju 52/3m or the Me 323. The "TG" designation was a result of the reorganization of the transport branch in 1943.
Kampfschulgeschwader (KSG) – a Bomber Training School Geschwader.
Luftlandegeschwader (LLG) – a Glider Geschwader for the Fallschirmjäger or Paratroops.
Schnellkampfgeschwader (SKG) – fast bomber wing. Two units equipped with single- or twin-engine fighter bombers and used for ground-attack or hit-and-run missions over the United Kingdom. Later absorbed by other units or re-designated as Schlachtgeschwader.

yup, looks like the luftwaffe used the same "heavy fighter" term to me...would that be a jagerschwerer?

[W7LPNRICK]

Any new version of a KI, or a Yak, etc isn't really that "NEW". I wanted to learn a new plane that I haven't flown any variation of. I have a hard time getting excited over a Yak or Ki. Sorry, but it ain't really new. The 410 or Beau on the other hand would be something you'd have to learn their pros, cons, & do's, don't's. I really like flying the 110, & am sure the 410 would be equally fun to fly.    

[Karnak]

Any new version of a KI

Say what?

The term "Ki" is short for "Airplane" and the number is simply the order in which it was ordered by the Imperial Japanese Army.  The Ki-43 is not an earlier version of the Ki-84 any more than the P-40 is an earlier version of the P-51.

[SmokinLoon]

With choices such as the Beaufighter (fat-n-slow Mossi w/ torp ability), Yak-3 (Lgay7's cousin), Me410 (110 in a different name), and Meteor (Tempest/Me262 hybrid), I had to vote for the Meteor.  All bets say it will be the Mk III and it will give the Me262 a run for its money.  I wonder if HTC will give the Meteor a Fighter/Attack scoring ability seeing as how it did more damage to ground targets than it did to air targets.

The D520, Ki-43, or the MiG-3 were my first choices.  The EW plane set needs some lovin'!   

[W7LPNRICK]

Say what?

The term "Ki" is short for "Airplane" and the number is simply the order in which it was ordered by the Imperial Japanese Army.  The Ki-43 is not an earlier version of the Ki-84 any more than the P-40 is an earlier version of the P-51.

Ok, my bad. If it is not closely similar, I would be glad to see it. In my flying, I see the Japanese fighters as all very similar as far as the construction, and flying qualities ie the Nikki and Ki-84 seem very similar to me, but I don't fly them every day. My observations impressions are probably seen in a much broader sense than you may see it, & I don't really enjoy flying the Japanese planes much, just my feel for them. Thanks for clarifying, though. I don't mind getting educated.

[Karnak]

Ok, my bad. If it is not closely similar, I would be glad to see it. In my flying, I see the Japanese fighters as all very similar as far as the construction, and flying qualities ie the Nikki and Ki-84 seem very similar to me, but I don't fly them every day. My observations impressions are probably seen in a much broader sense than you may see it, & I don't really enjoy flying the Japanese planes much, just my feel for them. Thanks for clarifying, though. I don't mind getting educated.

The Ki-43 would be the Japanese fighter that would probably represent the furthest extreme of your impressions.  The J2M and Ki-44 wouldn't fit your impressions well at all, both being intended for speed and climb at the expense of turning.

[moot]

Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

Tilt the word fighter here is as used by Pyro on a forum/game poll.  Probably chosen more for what it means for production logistics than historical exactness.

[EskimoJoe]

fighter (noun)

    one that fights

Looks like all of our planes are fighters. Imagine that...

[Delirium]

Yeh, all are good or very good choises except for the Meteor. Gonna be pretty sad if that thing gets chosen in another poll after the B-29 won the last one...

Agreed.

I don't think HTC should even bother polling the masses as (historically) they will always choose the aircraft with better perceived performance. Heck, I'll bet they'd vote for a F-16, no matter how unbalancing it was or how little it would add to this WWII flight sim overall. That B29 sees less action in the game than Betty White on a Friday night.

We have a lot of bright people with thoughtful ideas in this game, but collectively, the community can be rather foolish.

[moot]

Seems about right to give popular demand one plane, and add 1-2 more historically acceptable ones on top of that.