If we get the 410, will we get the 50mm?

[Bronk]

Like how the 75mm on B-25H can do so sometimes.

It can do it consistently...the pilot on the other hand.

[Karnak]

And the Pyro rumour is false if it's the same as the old one.  Krusty repeated it a few years ago and Pyro all but explicitly said it was false - asked Krusty or anyone to show a quote backing it up and no one could.

The Pyro comment I referred to he made to me in a phone conversation I had with him during the time when the Spitfires were being updated.

As he noted in this thread, it was a concern he brought up, not a "Not going to happen".

[Scherf]

It's not verboten at all and I don't have a reason at this time not to include it as a loadout option.  I could be mistaken but I don't recall commenting on it.  I've commented on the Mosquito XVIII but that's a different case, and even then it was never taken off the table.

Thanks Pyro, much appreciated.

[Volron]

Oh the fun I am going to have with that 50mm....

[moot]

Once I was against the [...] like you are, but over time I came to see it's probably not going to be a game breaking weapons system.

Eh.

The 50mm wouldn't be used for just buff hunting though, as we all know.  I, personally, would use it to kill tanks as well.  If you can do it with the Yak 9T's 37mm gun, you should be able to do it with the 410's 50mm gun.  At the very least (for me anyways), it would be fun to try and you can be guaranteed that it will kill M3's, M8's and M18's nicely.

Deacking too.  If it gets the same much longer bullet lifetime that largest calibers do, e.g. Flakpanzer 37mm, B-25H 75-er

The B25H unchallenged makes for basically an orbital strike deacking machine if you can manage the aim.

The Pyro comment I referred to he made to me in a phone conversation I had with him during the time when the Spitfires were being updated.

As he noted in this thread, it was a concern he brought up, not a "Not going to happen".

So that's what it was.  The one thread that people referenced/quoted multiple times without you or anyone adding to was one where like I said Krusty brings it up saying "verboten", and Pyro shows up asking "where'd I say that?  Show me a quote". 

[morfiend]

The variant with the BK5 loadout is not nearly any sort of game changer much like the b25H wasn't.

In other sims, it is routinely passed over for 110g so I don't think it's presence would unbalance an arena.

It would be cool to see some variants of the JU88 added.

HTC would have to add two Ju88 base variants and use different loadouts to closely approximate almost the entire ju88 line.

 I'm wondering if in this other sim that certain 110's are modeled with GM-1 boost?  that would be the only reason to choose the 110 over the 410 to get the extra performance at high alt with the GM-1. I suppose it would also depend on what weapons were available on what A/C as well.

   The 110 with the 37mm was capable of carrying 60+ rounds that the rear gunner could load as needed! That would make it the premiere tank killer in game I would think.

  YMMV.

   

[moot]

Would the 3.7 be that effective against our GVs?  I dunno what its performance is like.

[Krusty]

The 3,7 was the Ju87G's anti-tank gun, Moot. Same gun.

Only, when used on the 110, it was loaded with HE (naturally, as the target was bombers, not tanks).


EDIT: As a side note, I used to go offline drone hunting in WB with the Ju-87G... It was very hard to aim those things against a bomber!

[Tank-Ace]

Preformance would be simmilar to the NS 37 on Il-2, or quite superior if they decide to give it PzGr 40 ammunition.


Either way, I would LOVE this 110 variant. It would be a reasonable substitution for the Hs 129 in a Kursk scenario. Would prefer the Hs because it would (hopefully) get a 75mm firing AP, and the 30mm Mk 103.


Eventually i would enjoy seeing both.



To the Me 410 w/ BK 5:  Try sniping bombers with the 75mm offline. Its very difficult to get a hit, and usually you miss by quite a large margine. Granted the BK 5 would have a higer ROF, a gentle turn would still be plenty to throw his aim off.


Edit: krusty, can you show any evidence that they were never issued some AP ammunition?  USA never manufactured HE rounds for the M1 57mm, yet they issued some rounds they had accuired from the british. Its possible the 110 crews were given some AP ammunition as well.

[Krusty]

Offline drones are harder because they are turning on a track. If your target was flying straight you only have to mentally compute the drop at distance, rather than the lead. It would make it easier, I think.

[Krusty]

Either way, I would LOVE this 110 variant. It would be a reasonable substitution for the Hs 129 in a Kursk scenario. Would prefer the Hs because it would (hopefully) get a 75mm firing AP, and the 30mm Mk 103.

See this post on page 2 of this thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,322613.msg4210401.html#msg4210401

Also, the 75mm was very rare on the Hs129. You can read this in the Hs129 thread, which you replied in recently. The normal solution on the Hs was the 30mm Mk103. That would still be effective, though.

[morfiend]

 The 110's were "tested" against ground targets,ie tanks, but the type was found unsatisfactorily for whatever reason and the Stukas took over the duty.

   Moot,the 37mm had tungsten core ammo,useless against bombers but on par with the 37mm on the Il2,depending on sources!


  My point was that the 110 with the 37mm carried over 60 rounds,3 times the ammo of the Il2 or Stuka with 37mm guns or the Bk5 and 6 pounder!



  



edit,my mistake the NS37 actually carries more rounds....   but I think the single BK3.7 would have a longer firing time.

[Karnak]

Il-2 carries 50 rounds per 37mm gun.

[morfiend]

LOl you caught me before I could edit and correct my mistake!









    

[moot]

edit,my mistake the NS37 actually carries more rounds....   but I think the single BK3.7 would have a longer firing time.

Hand loaded, I'd bet so