P-51H

[WING47]

Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.

I take you 1 on 1 anytime my pony vs your 109, and I won't run or BnZ.

[Butcher]

Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.

Bingo, I knew of only 1 good P51 stick and that was years ago, I do know Rogent is a crafty 51 stick but other then that...its like watching tumbelweeds go by everytime a p51 is around, because you know there isn't going to be a dogfight.

[WING47]

Bingo, I knew of only 1 good P51 stick and that was years ago, I do know Rogent is a crafty 51 stick but other then that...its like watching tumbelweeds go by everytime a p51 is around, because you know there isn't going to be a dogfight.

You guys are running into the wrong P-51 pilots, I know a lot who are very skillfull and will dogfight you if required of them and are quite good at it.

[Butcher]

You guys are running into the wrong P-51 pilots, I know a lot who are very skillfull and will dogfight you if required of them and are quite good at it.

Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.

[smoe]

Note that the 51s that went to Korea were D models not Hs.  Mainly because of the ord carrying capability but just the  same, the H was a bit of a footnote in the Mustang book.

The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.

Using the H in Korea would be like mothballing all 15's, 16's, 14's, 18's, A-10's, and 52's for the Gulf War(s) and switch to using only new stuff like 117's, 22's, 35's, and B-2's.

[Ack-Ack]

Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.

There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.

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[Ack-Ack]

The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.

The H model was also considered unsuitable for the mission in Korea as it was far more vulnerable to ground fire than the D model.


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[MAINER]

The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.

Using the H in Korea would be like mothballing all 15's, 16's, 14's, 18's, A-10's, and 52's for the Gulf War(s) and switch to using only new stuff like 117's, 22's, 35's, and B-2's.

you are comparing the difference between the P-51D and the P-51H between A-10's and B-2s. I dont think the difference was that big..

[WING47]

you are comparing the difference between the P-51D and the P-51H between A-10's and B-2s. I dont think the difference was that big..

Although it is a big difference in time period, smoe does have a point....

[Seanaldinho]

I take you 1 on 1 anytime my pony vs your 109, and I won't run or BnZ.

Im not saying you in particular dont but read the quote again ---> "most" <--- is the key word.

Occasionally yea one will start to really dogfight and do you know why? He ran out of E and altitude.

Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.

I too stick to either a Brewster, Mossie, 38J, F4F, or the occasional Jug.

[Tank-Ace]

Would have to agree, your average 109 stick is going to be a better fight and likely a better pilot than your average P-51 stick.

I've met a few good P-51 pilots and even had the pleasure of beating some. KrapGame was pretty good when he was still around, a lot of the 91'st were good in it, and so are some of the BK's (I think its the BK's anyway).

I'm capable in it, if not what you would call great, and it used to be my main ride before I went luft. I know it well enough to say that a lot of the whining is caused by people asking for the P-51 to tie their own hangmans nuse.

But still, one all's said and done, the average 109 is still going to be better than the average P-51.

[Butcher]

There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.

ack-ack

Bingo, Skat was a 51 Driver, sorry I couldn't remember him all these years, but he was unafraid to throw up a fight
regardless of the odds. I'd vote him and Rogent as the only 51 Drivers i can remember as "Dog fighters".

Not sure who "Wing" is, I'm guessing a carbon copy of Dallas until he steps out of the training wheel rides?

[Debrody]

There are 2 P-51s, 5 P-47s, 4 P-40s, 3 P-38s, 2 P-39s, 5 Hogs, 2 Wildcats and a Hellcat in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s and 5 190s, why are you complaining?

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plz stop whining, Mr Awsomeness.
America has more planes in game than the next three nations together.
Not enough, huh? lmfao

As for your fighting pony... since ive only seen two, you must be either DragonH5 or BigR.  Or not?  
Ill be back in a couple weeks. Will look for your awsome Luftwheenie-busting skills. Cheers!

[FBCrabby]

C.200 saetta  Gimmie now

[Ruah]

There are 2 P-51s in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s, why are you complaining?

considering the operational length of the 109 from its E variant to the K variant, i would say that the 109 is justly represented.

I guess its the hordes of 51s and the super high alt runner types that I keep bumping into - its the reason I feel i am forced to fly the K4 when I would much prefer an earlier version. . . its a shame really, 51 is a fine plane, great in the scissor, stable and powerful and so many people use it to just pick and run. I hope that dedicated and proud 51 pilots do quality control.

As for the H variant - what will it really add?  The D is already a fine plane and i think it represents the type well - the H will be a perked plane and end up in the same place the spit14 would be - the not quite tempest that is actually worse then its non-perked variant (unless flown with the most conservative flying style which while more accurate - is a lot less fun for all involved or dominate with pilots who could dominate with most planes anyway).